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Monday, 08 March 2010 10:10 am
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Let's get it out there right now.
We don't feel bad about the Marc Savard hit.
We don't care about the Marc Savard hit.
You know why? Because we can see into the future. It comes with the territory of being part of the fanbase of the World Champs: The time will come when a Penguin is the victim of this type of hit, and whoever made the hit would be championed all across the Internet. We wake up every day preparing for that.
It was kind of sad on Sunday night reading stuff about the hit as we were making our rounds on the Internet. 95% of the coverage is coming from people who haven't watched more than 3 entire Pens games this season. They watch "NHL ON THE FLY" while looking at a box score and think they have a grasp on what the Penguins are all about.
Any Pens fan reading this right now has more than likely watched every game Matt Cooke has played as a Penguin. He plays the game on the edge, no question about that. But is he dirty? Nah. If we noticed him cruising around looking for cheapshots every game, we'd be the first people to mention it and make a photoshop about it. Bloggers everywhere will try to astonish you with stories of rituals and dazzle you with official-sounding terms like "repeat offender" and "code red." They might even cut into a few third-line grinders for you. But there's nothing else to talk about on their clichéd soapbox.
But this was a headshot. No doubt about it whatsoever.
It sucks to see hits like this take a player out; for any player to get injured, period.
(Pay no attention to fans from other cities wishing for Crosby to tear his ACL.)
Headshots have no place in the game.
But you know who else doesn't have a place in the game?
Matt Cooke...if he doesn't attempt a hit on Savard here.
There is a fevered competition on the Penguins' bottom two lines that has just kicked into high gear.
And Matt Cooke doesn't really light the lamp. He's on the team for a specific reason.
If he shirks away from delivering a hit, it is noticed in the film room.
Some thoughts:
1. -- Cooke is bearing down on Savard. Savard is taking the shot. By no means are we blaming Savard, but how can you expect any player in Matt Cooke's position to stop. What is Matt Cooke supposed to do? It's clear to anyone watching the video that Matt Cooke was preparing to hit Savard before Savard put himself into a vulnerable position.
2. -- People are quick to compare this to the Mike Richards hit on David Booth.
The Richards hit was 150% more brutal than this one.
3. -- This clown: Joe Haggerty from some paper in Beantown. [crybaby]
Dirty, vicious elbow by Matt Cooke on Marc Savard to his blind side after he shot a puck at the Pittsburgh net. Just no regard for the health and well-being of another player right there. Replays showed Cooke lowered an elbow that smashed directly into Savard’s head when he had his head turned away from the Penguins forward. The elbow knocked Savard right down to the ice. Savard was down for 10 minutes and trainers had to take the playmaking center off on a stretcher. Somehow there wasn’t a penalty called on the play, but there’s no way Cooke gets off without a lengthy suspension. That is the kind of play that the NHL is trying to rid their sport of, and it’s yet another injury that the B’s can’t afford.
ugh
4. -- If you're coming here looking for us to wag the finger at Matt Cooke, sorry, you've got the wrong place. As we mentioned before, a player putting a hit like this on a Penguin, be it Crosby or Malkin, would have YouTube tribute videos made about him, all the while people would call Crosby a pussy or something.
But Karma makes its own rules.
Will Boston upset Pittsburgh in a first-round playoff matchup?
If the Hockey Gods are upset, we'll eventually know about it.
You think the Bruins are going to play a clean game on March 18th when the Pens play in Boston? They'll jump Cooke, and the Pens will go on the powerplay. It will be 3-0 before fat-ass Tim Thomas can muster up the fortitude to complain. Thanks for the 2 points in advance.
Cooke will probably get suspended 5-10 games.
Good. Rest up for the playoffs.
It gives a chance for Disco to juggle some lines and shit.
And this whole incident was a shame because it took away from a well played game. Playoff-like pace.
Pens could have won 10-1.
18
The Pens Magic Number.
The number of points they need to clinch a playoff berth.
Look at the standings.
Imagine every team wins the rest of their games.
wsh -- 130
pens -- 116
buf -- 115
njd -- 115
ott -- 109
phi -- 108
bos -- 105
atl -- 102
9th -- tb -- 101
10th -- mtl -- 100
pens -- 116
buf -- 115
njd -- 115
ott -- 109
phi -- 108
bos -- 105
atl -- 102
9th -- tb -- 101
10th -- mtl -- 100
Quick math says Tampa Bay's potential point total would be 101.
It would be the 9th-highest total in the Conference.
Finishing ahead of the 9th place team means you make the playoffs.
Don't worry about the Pens tying the 8th seed.
Pens already occupy one of the 8 spots, so it's moot.
The Pens sitting with 84 points means they only need 18 more points to reach 102 points.
There's tiebreaking scenarios we don't feel like getting into.
So let's just be safe and forecast it as 1 point above the 9th seed.
And the Devils lost.
The Devils have 2 games in hand on the Pens but are 5 points back.
Pens are finally atop the Atlantic Division.
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Crosby was flying early.
Dished it to Koon and did the center drive.
Sid looked primed to snag a puck from the air and put it home.
But Thomas and his silver medal thwarted it.
Then came the Penguin parade to the box.
Orpik was up first.
Sid looked primed to snag a puck from the air and put it home.
But Thomas and his silver medal thwarted it.
Then came the Penguin parade to the box.
Orpik was up first.
Pens bench = not happy.
But the Pens killed that first penalty.
FSN then wants you to vote on your favorite Penguins forward line.
Crosby-Malkin-Sykora apparently was a line long enough to merit inclusion in this vote?
Who comes up with these polls? Even worse -- Who particpates in polls anymore?
Pens were heading to the box again for something.
Pens were heading to the box again for something.
Disco not pleased.
Killed.
Kennedy was everywhere in the first period.
More aggressive than Big Ben in a bathroom stall in the south.
Kennedy was everywhere in the first period.
More aggressive than Big Ben in a bathroom stall in the south.
At the end of the first, Thomas feels a tug on his leg and falls faster than Team USA.
Penalty bridges to the second period.
No word if David Letterman called to ask Crosby to fill in for him during intermission.
Pens kill that one.
Then they go to the box yet again.
By this point, we didn't care who was the guilty party.
Mark Reechi is on the Bruins #1 powerplay unit.
And finally the Bruins capitalize.
In a nod to our high school years, the intent to blow was simply not there, even though we begged.
1-0.
Like clockwork, the Pens get the next PP.
It looked like it actually surprised them, though, and they couldn't do much.
The game was taking on that familiar afternoon-game feeling.
Then Pascal Dupuis goes to work.
He takes a pass from Bing and just starts banging the puck in the crease.
No intent to blow again.
Goal. 1-1.
Dupes probably could have had 4 goals. He was everywhere.
Andy Sutton got a two-game suspension for eliminating Dupuis earlier this year.
just sayin
After a skirmish, there was some sweet 4-on-4 action.
Dupuis almost ended the world.
Great 2-minute stretch.
Nothing.
Early in the third, the Pens stake claim to the W.
Malkin cruises in.
Looks like he loses the puck. Net.
2-1.
On the replay, Malkin actually fakes the drop pass.
Just a sick deke. Don't sleep on the center drive by Poni.
job job job job
Business started picking up in the last 10 minutes of the period.
MAF coming up with some stops. Bruins jobbing people.
After the final commercial break in the third...
The hit really sucked the life out of the game.
Pens held the fort after that. MAF was like Visa the rest of the way.
Game.
We're just happy David Copperfield is back in town.
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#1
2010-03-08 10:20
Not your best recap, but you made some salient Cooke points. Jesus says YES.
Go Pens
(3-5 games I bet)
Go Pens
(3-5 games I bet)
#2
2010-03-08 10:25
Was traveling, so I listened to the soothing sounds of Lange and Bourque.
Good win over an opponent who has been winning. This next 5 game stretch will basically determine the Atlantic. Although the Devils' remaining games look to be a little easier than the Pens' remaining games. Should be an awesome 30 days.
Go Pens.
Good win over an opponent who has been winning. This next 5 game stretch will basically determine the Atlantic. Although the Devils' remaining games look to be a little easier than the Pens' remaining games. Should be an awesome 30 days.
Go Pens.
#3
2010-03-08 10:26
Quoting Rage:
Rage tested. Jesus approved.
Not your best recap, but you made some salient Cooke points. Jesus says YES.
Go Pens
(3-5 games I bet)
Rage tested. Jesus approved.
#4
2010-03-08 10:27
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He could have finished through the body instead of making sure he hit nothing but the head. He could have softened his own hit and turned away as he made contact, lessening the damage. Cooke's a dick.
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You want to borrow my tinfoil hat or do you have your own?
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Good advice.
Cooke's hit was indefensible, but you gave it a nice try anyway.
What is Matt Cooke supposed to do?
He could have finished through the body instead of making sure he hit nothing but the head. He could have softened his own hit and turned away as he made contact, lessening the damage. Cooke's a dick.
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The time will come when a Penguin is the victim of this type of hit, and whoever made the hit would be championed all across the Internet. We wake up every day preparing for that.
You want to borrow my tinfoil hat or do you have your own?
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Pay no attention to fans from other cities wishing for Crosby to tear his ACL.
Good advice.
Cooke's hit was indefensible, but you gave it a nice try anyway.
#5
2010-03-08 10:27
Cookes hit was poster child for what NHL wants to stop. Your recap/explination/excuse makes us sound like caps fans. It was a cheap hit. Yeah there have been worse -not the point. He will sit for quite a while or the NHl should just shut up about caring about head injuries. Stupid hit - take the body - just as effective for the play and not a near death roll of the dice. And for all you knobs who are going to whine about criticizing one of our own - well thats what makes us different from the fans we despise. BS Hit.
#6
2010-03-08 10:28
Just so it's known, you can hit someone with your elbow and it not be a penalty for elbowing. Beat-writers and everyday bloggers alike need to figure this out. Rule 46.1. It has to be extended, Cooke's was not. It's clearly tucked into his side. Every keyboard jockey who thinks they know something sees an elbow make contact and calls for a penalty. Are guys supposed to remove their elbows from their body in order to make a hit?
I'd like to give this Haggerty guy the benefit of the doubt and say he wrote what he did before he got a chance to see it again, but he definitely had a few looks.
He even said himself that Cooke "lowered an elbow."
It was a legal hit, but it's going to be a suspension.
I'd like to give this Haggerty guy the benefit of the doubt and say he wrote what he did before he got a chance to see it again, but he definitely had a few looks.
He even said himself that Cooke "lowered an elbow."
It was a legal hit, but it's going to be a suspension.
#7
2010-03-08 10:29
Puckdaddy tried to bury Cooke. What followed was a battle between Pens fans and the rest of the NHL as usual. Almost to the man Pens fans have said Cooke will be suspended. Finding the replay where this is an elbow is almost as hard as finding the shooter on the grassy knoll. Cooke always has blurred the line and sometimes it makes you shake you head. This hit looked like a check that just went bad - if Savard gets up we don't even discuss it IMO. I am more upset when Cooke leads with a knee then I am about this hit to be honest.
It is so tiresome to see everyone saying they hope Bing or Geno get hurt to pay for this play. I don't like Ovie or any Crapital but I don't wish to see them injured. I'd prefer to see the Pens eliminate these annoying people in the Playoffs then injure them.... Anyway, nice to have a 5 point cushion on the Devils.
It is so tiresome to see everyone saying they hope Bing or Geno get hurt to pay for this play. I don't like Ovie or any Crapital but I don't wish to see them injured. I'd prefer to see the Pens eliminate these annoying people in the Playoffs then injure them.... Anyway, nice to have a 5 point cushion on the Devils.
#8
2010-03-08 10:31
Quoting wilsmith:
I think no matter who you ask on this Blog they all say a suspension is coming..
Just so it's known, you can hit someone with your elbow and it not be a penalty for elbowing. Beat-writers and everyday bloggers alike need to figure this out. Rule 46.1. It has to be extended, Cooke's was not. It's clearly tucked into his side. Every keyboard jockey who thinks they know something sees an elbow make contact and calls for a penalty. Are guys supposed to remove their elbows from their body in order to make a hit?
I'd like to give this Haggerty guy the benefit of the doubt and say he wrote what he did before he got a chance to see it again, but he definitely had a few looks.
He even said himself that Cooke "lowered an elbow."
It was a legal hit, but it's going to be a suspension.
I think no matter who you ask on this Blog they all say a suspension is coming..
#9
2010-03-08 10:33
We tried to go into the whole "shame on you, Matt Cooke" thing, but it was too boring. We nodded to the fact it was a headshot more than once and that we didn't like it.
Hopefully, absolutely no one who reads this agrees with it, since it was too boring to go the other route.
Hopefully, absolutely no one who reads this agrees with it, since it was too boring to go the other route.
#10
2010-03-08 10:36
Staff, I have to disagree about your comparison to Leadership's hit. It was almost identical. Cooke should probably get a couple of games. Richards should have too. The double standard makes the DGB NHL Suspension Flow chart seem almost legit.
All of that said, it's Cooke's job to ruin guys when he has the chance. Hate to see someone unconscious, but if Cooke doesn't make a hit there, he's not doing his job.
Our favorite giant piece of shit Ron Cook weighs in on Cooke's hit with outrage. Predictable city.
www.post-gazette.com/.../1041054-61.stm
Edit: This might sound insensitive, but I bet Savard thinks twice before admiring his work against the Pens again. A split second of hesitation could mean the difference between a goal for Savard or a save by MAF. Just Sayin'.
All of that said, it's Cooke's job to ruin guys when he has the chance. Hate to see someone unconscious, but if Cooke doesn't make a hit there, he's not doing his job.
Our favorite giant piece of shit Ron Cook weighs in on Cooke's hit with outrage. Predictable city.
www.post-gazette.com/.../1041054-61.stm
Edit: This might sound insensitive, but I bet Savard thinks twice before admiring his work against the Pens again. A split second of hesitation could mean the difference between a goal for Savard or a save by MAF. Just Sayin'.
#12
2010-03-08 10:39
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
I actually agree with you on this. I'm not sure he was aiming to hit only his head, but I think he could have tried to turn away more. I think Cooke's a good player, and works on a great line, but then he goes and does something like this. It's frustrating. Boston suffers, and we suffer. We're losing a guy for probably 5 games, and then have to deal with playing Boston in a few games. It won't be pretty. And they won't be taking cheap shots at Talbot or Adams. It will be at our stars, since Savard is one of Boston's stars.
He could have finished through the body instead of making sure he hit nothing but the head. He could have softened his own hit and turned away as he made contact, lessening the damage.
I actually agree with you on this. I'm not sure he was aiming to hit only his head, but I think he could have tried to turn away more. I think Cooke's a good player, and works on a great line, but then he goes and does something like this. It's frustrating. Boston suffers, and we suffer. We're losing a guy for probably 5 games, and then have to deal with playing Boston in a few games. It won't be pretty. And they won't be taking cheap shots at Talbot or Adams. It will be at our stars, since Savard is one of Boston's stars.
#13
2010-03-08 10:39
Quoting kilihan:
True, but Cooke made a good point when he said essentially "Don't want to get hit in the head? Simple, pay attention to the game and duck your fucking head."
Ok, so he didn't say that word for word, but he did say "I got hit the same way my shift before at center ice by their defenseman, except I [ducked] at the last second." Savard wasn't paying attention, that's why he won't remember his kids' names. Nobody likes headshots, but the jackass who plays the game oblivious to the fact that he may get hit is at fault along with the guy who is finishing his checks.
I think no matter who you ask on this Blog they all say a suspension is coming..
True, but Cooke made a good point when he said essentially "Don't want to get hit in the head? Simple, pay attention to the game and duck your fucking head."
Ok, so he didn't say that word for word, but he did say "I got hit the same way my shift before at center ice by their defenseman, except I [ducked] at the last second." Savard wasn't paying attention, that's why he won't remember his kids' names. Nobody likes headshots, but the jackass who plays the game oblivious to the fact that he may get hit is at fault along with the guy who is finishing his checks.
#14
2010-03-08 10:40
The magic number has changed right before my very eyes. Must be.... magic.
I can't say anything on the Cooke hit that hasn't already been said. I never like to see a man going down like that on the ice. Turns my stomach. I couldn't even re-watch that hit on Dupuis. It was bad enough seeing it in person. It's sad, though, that one of the thoughts that went through my mind is that the Cooke hit is going to be more fuel for the skewering Pittsburgh fire that goes on.
I can't say anything on the Cooke hit that hasn't already been said. I never like to see a man going down like that on the ice. Turns my stomach. I couldn't even re-watch that hit on Dupuis. It was bad enough seeing it in person. It's sad, though, that one of the thoughts that went through my mind is that the Cooke hit is going to be more fuel for the skewering Pittsburgh fire that goes on.
#15
2010-03-08 10:41
Quoting RicoFataFTW:
Hahahahaha awesome.
Savard wasn't paying attention, that's why he won't remember his kids' names.
Hahahahaha awesome.
#16
2010-03-08 10:43
was it a head shot? yeah sorta. to me its a check that just kinda went bad. What i don't like is the politics behind this soon to be suspension. Mike Richards hit had way more intented to injure on it but because cause his "Passion" and top six status nothing came of it. Matt cook did his job plain and simple. I don't wish anyone getting hurt but this is the big leagues sometimes things just go wrong.
No suspension for cook in my opinion.
No suspension for cook in my opinion.
#18
2010-03-08 10:43
Quoting PENSBLOG ADAM:
Even with your comment now I can see todays recap being linked to with outrage.. Which means you did a great job. Cooke will get suspended because he isn't a "Selke Finalist" who date's Pierre. The NHL needs to draw a line like Bing said and make a clear rule on hits like these so no gray area exist. I guess my question is - does it hurt less when Bing/Ovie/Leadership gives you a concussion as oppossed to Matt Cooke or any other NHL 3rd/4th liner?
We tried to go into the whole "shame on you, Matt Cooke" thing, but it was too boring. We nodded to the fact it was a headshot more than once and that we didn't like it.
Hopefully, absolutely no one who reads this agrees with it, since it was too boring to go the other route.
Even with your comment now I can see todays recap being linked to with outrage.. Which means you did a great job. Cooke will get suspended because he isn't a "Selke Finalist" who date's Pierre. The NHL needs to draw a line like Bing said and make a clear rule on hits like these so no gray area exist. I guess my question is - does it hurt less when Bing/Ovie/Leadership gives you a concussion as oppossed to Matt Cooke or any other NHL 3rd/4th liner?
#19
2010-03-08 10:45
Quoting kilihan:
Spot on. That's the biggest problem with the league.
I nominate you to call Bettman and ask him that simple question.
I guess my question is - does it hurt less when Bing/Ovie/Leadership gives you a concussion as oppossed to Matt Cooke or any other NHL 3rd/4th liner?
Spot on. That's the biggest problem with the league.
I nominate you to call Bettman and ask him that simple question.
#20
2010-03-08 10:46
" Cooke lowered an elbow that smashed directly into Savard’s head ..."
It's dirty when you don't keep your elbow down, which is to say, raise it. Lowering your elbow to your side is going out of your way to not be dirty.
It's dirty when you don't keep your elbow down, which is to say, raise it. Lowering your elbow to your side is going out of your way to not be dirty.
#21
2010-03-08 10:51
Quoting kilihan:
In that same vein.. Wyshinski over at PD had this little gem in regards to comparisons to the Richards/Booth debacle..
Quoting Puck Daddy:
Emphasis added to highlight asininity
ORLY Wysh? Couldn't disagree more.
I guess my question is - does it hurt less when Bing/Ovie/Leadership gives you a concussion as oppossed to Matt Cooke or any other NHL 3rd/4th liner?
In that same vein.. Wyshinski over at PD had this little gem in regards to comparisons to the Richards/Booth debacle..
Quoting Puck Daddy:
Geographically, that's accurate, as both occurred near the blue line in the offensive zone. But that's where the comparison ends. Richards isn't skating by, sticking out his arm. Booth quickly dished the puck rather than having shot it like Savard. They're two completely different hits, and that's a good thing: The Richards check, as devastating as it was, was a hockey play by a Selke-worthy forward; The Cooke Hit was a cheap, late hit by a player who excels at them.
Emphasis added to highlight asininity
ORLY Wysh? Couldn't disagree more.
#22
2010-03-08 10:51
Quoting PENSBLOG ADAM:
Right on. I think most of Penguins nation has been pretty good about calling this what it is. And, hey, if I can take Konstantinov jokes, I can sure as shit take this.
We tried to go into the whole "shame on you, Matt Cooke" thing, but it was too boring. We nodded to the fact it was a headshot more than once and that we didn't like it.
Hopefully, absolutely no one who reads this agrees with it, since it was too boring to go the other route.
Right on. I think most of Penguins nation has been pretty good about calling this what it is. And, hey, if I can take Konstantinov jokes, I can sure as shit take this.
#23
2010-03-08 10:53
I really think Savard went to unnecessary lengths to keep from fighting Sid. The visor excuse won't work anymore, so he paid Cooke to elbow him.
Hey, what do Marc Savard and Jerusalem have in common?
Both have a collapsed temple.
Hey, what do Marc Savard and Jerusalem have in common?
Both have a collapsed temple.
#24
2010-03-08 10:54
Quoting Raybin:
Damn you Raybin. I laughed out loud and now my co-workers probably think I'm on acid or something.
Hey, what do Marc Savard and Jerusalem have in common?
Damn you Raybin. I laughed out loud and now my co-workers probably think I'm on acid or something.
#25
2010-03-08 10:56
Another thought on concussion-causing head shots.... Applaud Savard for actually having his helmet strapped on. If it had been loose as in some previous incidents, he would have smashed his head in a bloody mess on the ice and this would be labeled the dirtiest hit of all time(even though the hit itself wouldnt be any different, just the results).
#26
2010-03-08 10:56
I don't even know what to say about this stuff anymore. I've said it many times and I'll say it again, Cooke is the guy you love when he plays for your team and he's the guy you fucking hate when he' on the other team.Simple.Matt Cooke is not a respected player in the NHL. Everyone knows this. I applaud him on giving 110% on every shift but I also turn a blind eye when he does dumb shit.I can't really turn that eye right now because he took someone out on a stretcher.It's just the way it goes.
The only other thing I will say is that the "keep your head up" argument is tired and worn out. It's the age old excuse for hitting someone in the head. The game is spent 50% of the time with your head up and the other half with your head down. The puck is on the ground right? ;)
No one ever skates an entire game with their head "up". It's impossible. There just happens to be times when another player sees this and smacks your face for it. Does that make it right? I have no idea. That's for the NHL to decide.Right now they seem to be leaning towards no.
The only other thing I will say is that the "keep your head up" argument is tired and worn out. It's the age old excuse for hitting someone in the head. The game is spent 50% of the time with your head up and the other half with your head down. The puck is on the ground right? ;)
No one ever skates an entire game with their head "up". It's impossible. There just happens to be times when another player sees this and smacks your face for it. Does that make it right? I have no idea. That's for the NHL to decide.Right now they seem to be leaning towards no.
#27
2010-03-08 10:57
Intent to blow is Charlies favorite phase ever.
Cookie hit was dirty, and suspension worthy, but is it the "poster to end cheapshots in the nhl"? No. It was a bad place bad time, and he NEVER led with his elbow during this place. There's no movement at all in his shoulder or elbow region. Savvy just got blindsided. Sucks to be him.
Cookie hit was dirty, and suspension worthy, but is it the "poster to end cheapshots in the nhl"? No. It was a bad place bad time, and he NEVER led with his elbow during this place. There's no movement at all in his shoulder or elbow region. Savvy just got blindsided. Sucks to be him.
#28
2010-03-08 10:59
Just another follow up, the only reason people are calling this a "dirty disgusting cheapshot bullshit" hit is because of Cooke's past. If this was random joe Michael Peca or something it would be a "oh well, Savvy had his head down, no elbow at all from Peca, give him a 250 dollar fine and a game"
#29
2010-03-08 11:00
It certainly does look nasty, especially at full speed. And yeah, "prior record" will no doubt cause a suspension; the length will probably be based on whether or not Campbell wants Cookie to be in the next game vs Boston.
What I'm trying to see from the footage is what Cooke's line of attack would be if Savard didn't shoot. With a left-handed shot like that, his right shoulder does move from being forward of his body to behind, which does somewhat expose his head. I really can't tell from the footage.
Not trying to justify or defend it, just looking at the angles.
What I'm trying to see from the footage is what Cooke's line of attack would be if Savard didn't shoot. With a left-handed shot like that, his right shoulder does move from being forward of his body to behind, which does somewhat expose his head. I really can't tell from the footage.
Not trying to justify or defend it, just looking at the angles.
#30
2010-03-08 11:00
Quoting lefty58:
That's a great point. Maybe the best point made so far. The NHL's favoritism towards it's "star" players has gone too far. We all know this and they come down harder on guys who are always in trouble. Or seem to be trouble makers. I saw a rule infraction is a rule infraction no matter who the player is.
Quoting kilihan:I guess my question is - does it hurt less when Bing/Ovie/Leadership gives you a concussion as oppossed to Matt Cooke or any other NHL 3rd/4th liner?
Spot on. That's the biggest problem with the league.
I nominate you to call Bettman and ask him that simple question.
That's a great point. Maybe the best point made so far. The NHL's favoritism towards it's "star" players has gone too far. We all know this and they come down harder on guys who are always in trouble. Or seem to be trouble makers. I saw a rule infraction is a rule infraction no matter who the player is.
#31
2010-03-08 11:04
Quoting Stilly:
Every time I start to like Wyshynski, he goes and says something like this. If Richards' hit was a hockey play, so was Cooke's. If Cooke's hit was a dirty hit, so was Leadership's.
Cooke was coming to blast a guy that was taking a shot at his net. Richards blasted a guy who was setting up a play. What's the difference?
His completely unnecessary addition of the phrase "Selke-worthy" is to me a tacit endorsement of the current NHL policy of "star players can do no wrong."
My thoughts on both hits: neither were "dirty" but both were reckless. It might be a fine distinction, but there is one. Of course recklessness should be punished just like "dirty" plays. Cooke will get 4 or 5 games and Richards got squat. And therein lies the problem.
The league has got to establish a uniform system of punishment and stop relying on the Down Goes Brown flowchart and Colin Campbell's dartboard. Until it does that, it'll keep being a fucking joke.
Quoting Puck Daddy:Geographically, that's accurate, as both occurred near the blue line in the offensive zone. But that's where the comparison ends. Richards isn't skating by, sticking out his arm. Booth quickly dished the puck rather than having shot it like Savard. They're two completely different hits, and that's a good thing: The Richards check, as devastating as it was, was a hockey play by a Selke-worthy forward; The Cooke Hit was a cheap, late hit by a player who excels at them.
Emphasis added to highlight asininity
ORLY Wysh? Couldn't disagree more.
Every time I start to like Wyshynski, he goes and says something like this. If Richards' hit was a hockey play, so was Cooke's. If Cooke's hit was a dirty hit, so was Leadership's.
Cooke was coming to blast a guy that was taking a shot at his net. Richards blasted a guy who was setting up a play. What's the difference?
His completely unnecessary addition of the phrase "Selke-worthy" is to me a tacit endorsement of the current NHL policy of "star players can do no wrong."
My thoughts on both hits: neither were "dirty" but both were reckless. It might be a fine distinction, but there is one. Of course recklessness should be punished just like "dirty" plays. Cooke will get 4 or 5 games and Richards got squat. And therein lies the problem.
The league has got to establish a uniform system of punishment and stop relying on the Down Goes Brown flowchart and Colin Campbell's dartboard. Until it does that, it'll keep being a fucking joke.
#33
2010-03-08 11:13
PD killed his on arguement when he brought in the type of player. Past history is what you use to get the length of suspension, it is not the tool to decide if you should be suspended.
#34
2010-03-08 11:17
Hate to be the "what about the kids" guy, but as a coach, this makes my life miserable. The 15 and 16 year olds I'm coaching don't recognize this as a dangerous play. The NHL really needs to start taking a real stance on this play as the future of the NHL is starting to accept this shit as the norm. I had to bench a kid this season for a few games for a similar hit. Him and his parents' response was the other kid should have had his head up. Or, maybe just maybe, you and your kid shouldn't be such morons.
The biggest problem I have is that the purpose of checking in hockey is to first separate the puck from the man and second to add some intimidation. It has never been to decapitate someone. Yet no matter how much we try to coach it, they only care about killing someone because they are being taught by the NHL that its OK. They don't want to learn how to properly pin and separate along the boards, they just want to get out of position to try and kill someone. But they will then cry to me about why they got cut at try outs.
It sucks that its cooke, but the NHL needs to start making an example of this shit and they need to do it no matter what the name on the jersey is.
The biggest problem I have is that the purpose of checking in hockey is to first separate the puck from the man and second to add some intimidation. It has never been to decapitate someone. Yet no matter how much we try to coach it, they only care about killing someone because they are being taught by the NHL that its OK. They don't want to learn how to properly pin and separate along the boards, they just want to get out of position to try and kill someone. But they will then cry to me about why they got cut at try outs.
It sucks that its cooke, but the NHL needs to start making an example of this shit and they need to do it no matter what the name on the jersey is.
#35
2010-03-08 11:20
I'm gambling at five games for Cooke. That'll take him out of the last Pitt-Bost matchup...five games from now. If they meet in the playoffs, let the fun begin.
Someone should take a huge dump on Wyshinski's desk.
Someone should take a huge dump on Wyshinski's desk.
#36
2010-03-08 11:23
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
He's a PROFESSIONAL dick. It's what he's paid to do, JJ.
Quote:What is Matt Cooke supposed to do?
Cooke's a dick.
He's a PROFESSIONAL dick. It's what he's paid to do, JJ.
#37
2010-03-08 11:23
Quoting Raybin:
This
Hey, what do Marc Savard and Jerusalem have in common?
Both have a collapsed temple.
This
#38
2010-03-08 11:23
Quoting Raybin:
HOF worthy
I really think Savard went to unnecessary lengths to keep from fighting Sid. The visor excuse won't work anymore, so he paid Cooke to elbow him.
Hey, what do Marc Savard and Jerusalem have in common?
Both have a collapsed temple.
HOF worthy
#39
2010-03-08 11:24
Quoting craigw99:
And
Quote:
Discuss.
I'd like to see that hit happen to Richards, or Ovechkin.
And
Quote:
Pay no attention to fans from other cities wishing for Crosby to tear his ACL.
Discuss.
#40
2010-03-08 11:24
Quoting craigw99:
I wouldn't. As much as I can't stand when we play them, as much as I hate both fan bases, as much as I wish a worm hole would suck both arenas up during their games and we never see or hear from them again, I don't wish any player to lay on the ice like that. Even those two.
I'd like to see that hit happen to Richards, or Ovechkin.
I wouldn't. As much as I can't stand when we play them, as much as I hate both fan bases, as much as I wish a worm hole would suck both arenas up during their games and we never see or hear from them again, I don't wish any player to lay on the ice like that. Even those two.
#41
2010-03-08 11:27
Until the NHL changes the rules, this hit wasn't illegal. It was a shoulder check, and it was barely late.
The uproar is a bit much. If it moves the NHL to set some rules regarding headshots outside of this gray area based around some tools judging the 'intent' and 'history' after the fact, then fine.
Until then, it's an ugly but legal hit, same as the Richards one. With horrible results.
Until the rules are clear, this hit happens again.
The uproar is a bit much. If it moves the NHL to set some rules regarding headshots outside of this gray area based around some tools judging the 'intent' and 'history' after the fact, then fine.
Until then, it's an ugly but legal hit, same as the Richards one. With horrible results.
Until the rules are clear, this hit happens again.
#42
2010-03-08 11:29
Quoting Matt Eager:
I see what you did there.
Quoting craigw99:I'd like to see that hit happen to Richards, or Ovechkin.
And
Quote:Pay no attention to fans from other cities wishing for Crosby to tear his ACL.
Discuss.
I see what you did there.
#44
2010-03-08 11:31
Was at the game, and was surprised by how dead it was. Other than a couple of excited moments, the crowd was weak. It was my first afternoon game in a long time; it always like that or was it just a bad day?
Also, I was pretty impressed by Feds yesterday; he didn't score, but it seemed like he was everywhere...digging out pucks, laying some hits, and playing in general like a man who doesn't want to lose his job when Guerin returns.
Also, I was pretty impressed by Feds yesterday; he didn't score, but it seemed like he was everywhere...digging out pucks, laying some hits, and playing in general like a man who doesn't want to lose his job when Guerin returns.
#45
2010-03-08 11:33
@Cookeblog - If Savard gets back up, no one's talking about this. In an ideal world, injury doesn't affect the decision to suspend a player for a dirty hit, and neither does star status. If you want it changed, firebomb Bettman's house.
On the other hand, this shows that Cooke should maybe be a resigning priority. Can you imagine this, as WWGRD put it, "chickenshit" going to another team in our division next year? He'd fall out of grace with Pens fans twice as fast as Jarkko Ruutu did. It's like the police buying copkiller bullets on the black market to keep them off the streets.
In conclusion, whatevs.
On the other hand, this shows that Cooke should maybe be a resigning priority. Can you imagine this, as WWGRD put it, "chickenshit" going to another team in our division next year? He'd fall out of grace with Pens fans twice as fast as Jarkko Ruutu did. It's like the police buying copkiller bullets on the black market to keep them off the streets.
In conclusion, whatevs.
#46
2010-03-08 11:37
Quote:
Are we suggesting a Rookie of the Year scenario?
Quoting Stilly:
While that may be true, it doesn't mean the Devils will take advantage. They did get shut out by Edmonton last night, and recent losses (albeit before the Olympic break) include Carolina and Toronto.
Andy Sutton got a two-game suspension for eliminating Dupuis earlier this year...just sayin
Are we suggesting a Rookie of the Year scenario?
Quoting Stilly:
This next 5 game stretch will basically determine the Atlantic. Although the Devils' remaining games look to be a little easier than the Pens' remaining games. Should be an awesome 30 days.
While that may be true, it doesn't mean the Devils will take advantage. They did get shut out by Edmonton last night, and recent losses (albeit before the Olympic break) include Carolina and Toronto.
#47
2010-03-08 11:42
I actually wanna see Cooke get 4 games. So that mean he can come back just in time for in Boston. That should be fun.
#48
2010-03-08 11:44
On a side note... NHL.com has this little poll on the bottom of the home page.
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GO VOTE.
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GO VOTE.
#49
2010-03-08 11:46
Wow, looks like he " led with his shoulder " to me. Alot more than a " certain dovschebag " led with HIS shoulder during the blatant " knee on knee " on Gonch last year. I say keep handing out " Free Cookies "!
#50
2010-03-08 11:48
Quoting Raybin:
As always, Raybin > me. I was going to make this point, but the smarter man got it out first.
I hate the Cooke hit and all hits like it. To me it was a replay of the leaderjoke hit, I really can't see the difference. And the elbow argument? I don't even see contact with the elbow regardless if it was down so that is erroneous.
But speaking of Karma, I do believe karma was at work here. The Karma train collapsed Savard's temple for running his mouth and pussying out with bing. Sucks but true.
I really think Savard went to unnecessary lengths to keep from fighting Sid. The visor excuse won't work anymore, so he paid Cooke to elbow him.
As always, Raybin > me. I was going to make this point, but the smarter man got it out first.
I hate the Cooke hit and all hits like it. To me it was a replay of the leaderjoke hit, I really can't see the difference. And the elbow argument? I don't even see contact with the elbow regardless if it was down so that is erroneous.
But speaking of Karma, I do believe karma was at work here. The Karma train collapsed Savard's temple for running his mouth and pussying out with bing. Sucks but true.
#51
2010-03-08 11:51
Cooke was lining up to hit savard shoulder-on-shoulder. watch the replay, savard slows up at the last minute, leaving his head exposed. Cooke's intent was not to injure, or deliver a dirty hit. Having said that, I feel like the leagues gray area on these type of hits is a joke. I feel like making any hit to the head regardless of intent deserves some kind of suspension. That is the only way to stop these kind of hits from taking place.
#52
2010-03-08 11:52
On a much more positive note (and more important in my opinion), it appears the pens may be beginning their annual March charge toward the playoffs. This road trip is huge, but I really like the pens game since the break.
When the bad ass returns and the pens have the full compliment, the forward slots will be extremely deep and balanced. Shero = King.
MAF is getting hot again and he is just huge in big cames.
To me Pens = Favorites again.
When the bad ass returns and the pens have the full compliment, the forward slots will be extremely deep and balanced. Shero = King.
MAF is getting hot again and he is just huge in big cames.
To me Pens = Favorites again.
#53
2010-03-08 12:03
Quoting Matt Eager:
Precisely.
The NHL set a very bad precedent for themselves when they didn't suspend Mike Richards for the hit on David Booth. Because he went unpunished, every player in the NHL has a legitimate gripe if they get suspended for throwing a head shot. The NHL either needs to lay down the law and implement a standard for punishing head shots (with no leniency for star players) or they need to shut up about it. This current system of allowing it then feigning outrage and tsk-tsking players when somebody gets injured is total bullshit.
@Cookeblog - If Savard gets back up, no one's talking about this.
Precisely.
The NHL set a very bad precedent for themselves when they didn't suspend Mike Richards for the hit on David Booth. Because he went unpunished, every player in the NHL has a legitimate gripe if they get suspended for throwing a head shot. The NHL either needs to lay down the law and implement a standard for punishing head shots (with no leniency for star players) or they need to shut up about it. This current system of allowing it then feigning outrage and tsk-tsking players when somebody gets injured is total bullshit.
#54
2010-03-08 12:07
Quoting BZ:
Considering where you are posting, I would say that makes it unanimous...or at least makes you the Head of the Department of the Redundancy Department.
wooo
I don't really care where the Pens finish in the standings as long as it's above 8th and in the playoffs.
Go Pens
To me Pens = Favorites again.
Considering where you are posting, I would say that makes it unanimous...or at least makes you the Head of the Department of the Redundancy Department.
wooo
I don't really care where the Pens finish in the standings as long as it's above 8th and in the playoffs.
Go Pens
#55
2010-03-08 12:12
So much hatred directed at Cookie...I feel bad for him. I watched this hit several times on YouTube and there was nothing dirty about it which makes the results unfortunate. This just means that the league needs to look at its rules if players are getting injured like this on legal hits.
I was watching NHL on the Fly and they were acting like Cookie is a serial killer or something. Someone needs to take the stick out of their ass already....if Avery sticks his fingers in someone's mouth he deserved to get them bitten.
I was watching NHL on the Fly and they were acting like Cookie is a serial killer or something. Someone needs to take the stick out of their ass already....if Avery sticks his fingers in someone's mouth he deserved to get them bitten.
#56
2010-03-08 12:14
Quote:
Probably right, but I didn't consider the Pens favorites with the way their game was heading into the break.
I do think that home ice is important in the first round, to start getting on a roll early.
The combination of depth (fowards and blueline) and goaltending that the pens have is unmatched in the league.
Considering where you are posting, I would say that makes it unanimous...or at least makes you the Head of the Department of the Redundancy Department.
Probably right, but I didn't consider the Pens favorites with the way their game was heading into the break.
I do think that home ice is important in the first round, to start getting on a roll early.
The combination of depth (fowards and blueline) and goaltending that the pens have is unmatched in the league.
#58
2010-03-08 12:23
Quoting BZ:
To me it's obvious that Bettman rigged the trade deadline so the Pens could win the Atlantic. This is all to setup a Bettman wet dream ECF between the Caps and Pens. Then at the opening faceoff, Crosby gives Ovechkin the 'Fingerpoke of Doom' (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingerpoke_of_Doom) and the Pens go on to win the Cup again. This all sets up an offseason move where Bettman gives the Pens a salary cap exemption to sign any player (including those under contract) they want for any amount of money.
It's all part of Bettman's master plan.
Probably right, but I didn't consider the Pens favorites with the way their game was heading into the break.
I do think that home ice is important in the first round, to start getting on a roll early.
To me it's obvious that Bettman rigged the trade deadline so the Pens could win the Atlantic. This is all to setup a Bettman wet dream ECF between the Caps and Pens. Then at the opening faceoff, Crosby gives Ovechkin the 'Fingerpoke of Doom' (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingerpoke_of_Doom) and the Pens go on to win the Cup again. This all sets up an offseason move where Bettman gives the Pens a salary cap exemption to sign any player (including those under contract) they want for any amount of money.
It's all part of Bettman's master plan.
#59
2010-03-08 12:26
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
Quote:
Because, regardless if it was a clean hit or not, certain fans would never cheer when a certain star gets hurt in a Game 7 of a Stanley Cup final, correct?!?!
The time will come when a Penguin is the victim of this type of hit, and whoever made the hit would be championed all across the Internet. We wake up every day preparing for that.
Quote:
You want to borrow my tinfoil hat or do you have your own?
Because, regardless if it was a clean hit or not, certain fans would never cheer when a certain star gets hurt in a Game 7 of a Stanley Cup final, correct?!?!
#60
2010-03-08 12:38
Quote:
Hehe. Get over it, joke. There are dicktouchers in every fanbase who wish bad things on the other team's star players. A bunch of people around here didn't seem too broken up about the rabbit punch Gary Roberts laid on Johan Franzen in his first game back from concussion-like symptoms.
Staff acknowledges what I'm getting at. Yeah, cheering for injuries is bullshit. Booing the cup is bullshit. I've seen members of two different fanbases do the exact same thing in the last two finals. Pretending one fanbase is better than another is a good way to get yourself clowned*.
*NOTE: does not apply if you're talking about Flyers fans.
Because, regardless if it was a clean hit or not, certain fans would never cheer when a certain star gets hurt in a Game 7 of a Stanley Cup final, correct?!?!
Hehe. Get over it, joke. There are dicktouchers in every fanbase who wish bad things on the other team's star players. A bunch of people around here didn't seem too broken up about the rabbit punch Gary Roberts laid on Johan Franzen in his first game back from concussion-like symptoms.
Staff acknowledges what I'm getting at. Yeah, cheering for injuries is bullshit. Booing the cup is bullshit. I've seen members of two different fanbases do the exact same thing in the last two finals. Pretending one fanbase is better than another is a good way to get yourself clowned*.
*NOTE: does not apply if you're talking about Flyers fans.
#61
2010-03-08 12:38
Three things...
1. Can we all agree that FSP sucks for only having 1 angle of this, which it's kind of tough to tell in my opinion if it was a dirty hit or just a hit gone wrong.
2.Savard takes that to the net instead of shooting he keeps his momentum and it's the best hit of the game straight up. hate if you will. the guy is on skates and he didn't push going into the hit or leave his skates (ovi), i call no foul.
3. Last time i checked (no pun intended) it was the cookie monster's job to hit people when they have the puck. Just saying. If i'm management, there's a little be careful speech involved otherwise a pat on the back and some haterade.
GO PENS
1. Can we all agree that FSP sucks for only having 1 angle of this, which it's kind of tough to tell in my opinion if it was a dirty hit or just a hit gone wrong.
2.Savard takes that to the net instead of shooting he keeps his momentum and it's the best hit of the game straight up. hate if you will. the guy is on skates and he didn't push going into the hit or leave his skates (ovi), i call no foul.
3. Last time i checked (no pun intended) it was the cookie monster's job to hit people when they have the puck. Just saying. If i'm management, there's a little be careful speech involved otherwise a pat on the back and some haterade.
GO PENS
#62
2010-03-08 12:39
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
wooooooooo
*NOTE: does not apply if you're talking about Flyers fans.
wooooooooo
#64
2010-03-08 12:43
The one thing I noticed about Savard after re-watching the video is that he does one thing that they tell you not to do when on the ice: never admire your shot. Take your shot and continue the play. Savard continued to watch his shot, leaving himself open for anything...including an open ice hit. Having his head extended definitely did not help Savard. I'm not saying this to blame Savard or excuse Cooke, but I'm looking at it for what it is.
Again, I'm not excusing Cooke for what he did. Is it legal? By the books, yes. Do I agree with it? Not really. Having been on a business end of a concussion quite a few times myself, including once with an elbow/shoulder (still not sure what I got tagged with) that left me rattled even a few days later, I think the NHL needs to rewrite the rule book quickly. As others mentioned, letting Mr. Leadership walk with no penalty really fucked things up. The hit Richards put on Booth was much worse than the one that happened yesterday. Had the league had a set of balls and dropped a suspension on "potential Selke-winner", this discussion of suspensions is not happening. If Richards would have got the hammer from the league, then I'd have no problem with Cooke getting it because of the precedent set. But now we have to play this game of figuring out what is suspendable offense and what is not.
Should he get it? Based on precedent, no.
Will he get it? Based on reputation, yes.
Should this rule be changed? Can't happen soon enough.
Again, I'm not excusing Cooke for what he did. Is it legal? By the books, yes. Do I agree with it? Not really. Having been on a business end of a concussion quite a few times myself, including once with an elbow/shoulder (still not sure what I got tagged with) that left me rattled even a few days later, I think the NHL needs to rewrite the rule book quickly. As others mentioned, letting Mr. Leadership walk with no penalty really fucked things up. The hit Richards put on Booth was much worse than the one that happened yesterday. Had the league had a set of balls and dropped a suspension on "potential Selke-winner", this discussion of suspensions is not happening. If Richards would have got the hammer from the league, then I'd have no problem with Cooke getting it because of the precedent set. But now we have to play this game of figuring out what is suspendable offense and what is not.
Should he get it? Based on precedent, no.
Will he get it? Based on reputation, yes.
Should this rule be changed? Can't happen soon enough.
#65
2010-03-08 12:46
Does anyone here post on the nhl pens fan forum?
Will they ban me if I just post random swear words to see what all is censored automatically?
Will they ban me if I just post random swear words to see what all is censored automatically?
#66
2010-03-08 12:48
Quoting tim-guin:
agreed. I would like to see a view of this from the side of the ice where Cooke was coming from.
Three things...
1. Can we all agree that FSP sucks for only having 1 angle of this, which it's kind of tough to tell in my opinion if it was a dirty hit or just a hit gone wrong.
agreed. I would like to see a view of this from the side of the ice where Cooke was coming from.
#67
2010-03-08 12:50
Turboblog
Well, I didn't make the game, since the turbo on my Subaru blew out right around Breezewood. Wound up watching it back at my folks' place near Harrisburg after getting a tow. The notion to make this game will now run me in the neighborhood of $2 grand. So much for deciding to take a Sunday trip to the Mellon.
Cookeblog
Dirty hit. End of story.
Quoting MrsMalkinsBorsc ht:
And...money. Every guy/gal on cblog that has played and/or coaches full contact ice hockey (dekhockey doesn't count) has to agree that it's dirty, because none of us would want that happening to us or the kids we coach. I don't care how good you are, you'll eventually be exposed to a headshot like this at some point.
Look, I've taken my share of liberties at the expense of opposing players. And I've been rightfully penalized/DQ'd for a good amount of it. I've also received my share of cheapshots (my 5x broken clavicle is evidence of boarding gone wrong). That's life on skates, especially when you've got Dupuis Hands and U.S.S. Gill feet like mine.
But I never---NEVER--deliberately went at a guy's head like this. Period. If I were Cooke, I'd have blown the guy up, for sure. But I'd do it shoulder-to-shoulder. Problem is, the league missed out on addressing the problem with the Richards hit, and right now it's open season. So by precedent, Cooke gets no penalty and no suspension. Wait, he's not Leadership. Okay, 2 games it is. But it's too little, too late, because here's what you get when you don't set a tone in the NHL regarding dangerous hits:
Case closed.
Pensatlanticcha mpsblog
It all comes down to Friday night against New Jersey. If the Pens win it, I think they're the #2 seed. If they lose, I think the Devils make up the ground. Oversimplified? Yes. Most likely accurate? Yes.
Well, I didn't make the game, since the turbo on my Subaru blew out right around Breezewood. Wound up watching it back at my folks' place near Harrisburg after getting a tow. The notion to make this game will now run me in the neighborhood of $2 grand. So much for deciding to take a Sunday trip to the Mellon.
Cookeblog
Dirty hit. End of story.
Quoting MrsMalkinsBorsc ht:
Hate to be the "what about the kids" guy, but as a coach, this makes my life miserable. The 15 and 16 year olds I'm coaching don't recognize this as a dangerous play.
...
maybe just maybe, you and your kid shouldn't be such morons.
And...money. Every guy/gal on cblog that has played and/or coaches full contact ice hockey (dekhockey doesn't count) has to agree that it's dirty, because none of us would want that happening to us or the kids we coach. I don't care how good you are, you'll eventually be exposed to a headshot like this at some point.
Look, I've taken my share of liberties at the expense of opposing players. And I've been rightfully penalized/DQ'd for a good amount of it. I've also received my share of cheapshots (my 5x broken clavicle is evidence of boarding gone wrong). That's life on skates, especially when you've got Dupuis Hands and U.S.S. Gill feet like mine.
But I never---NEVER--deliberately went at a guy's head like this. Period. If I were Cooke, I'd have blown the guy up, for sure. But I'd do it shoulder-to-shoulder. Problem is, the league missed out on addressing the problem with the Richards hit, and right now it's open season. So by precedent, Cooke gets no penalty and no suspension. Wait, he's not Leadership. Okay, 2 games it is. But it's too little, too late, because here's what you get when you don't set a tone in the NHL regarding dangerous hits:
Case closed.
Pensatlanticcha mpsblog
It all comes down to Friday night against New Jersey. If the Pens win it, I think they're the #2 seed. If they lose, I think the Devils make up the ground. Oversimplified? Yes. Most likely accurate? Yes.
#68
2010-03-08 12:51
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
Agree and disagree. If Crosby got hurt by a cheap shot their would be rejoicing all over the Internets. No doubt about it.
Gary Roberts is God so if he determined that Franzen needed his head checked then there is nothing anybody could do about it.
Quote:Because, regardless if it was a clean hit or not, certain fans would never cheer when a certain star gets hurt in a Game 7 of a Stanley Cup final, correct?!?!
Hehe. Get over it, joke. There are dicktouchers in every fanbase who wish bad things on the other team's star players. A bunch of people around here didn't seem too broken up about the rabbit punch Gary Roberts laid on Johan Franzen in his first game back from concussion-like symptoms.
Staff acknowledges what I'm getting at. Yeah, cheering for injuries is bullshit. Booing the cup is bullshit. I've seen members of two different fanbases do the exact same thing in the last two finals. Pretending one fanbase is better than another is a good way to get yourself clowned*.
*NOTE: does not apply if you're talking about Flyers fans.
Agree and disagree. If Crosby got hurt by a cheap shot their would be rejoicing all over the Internets. No doubt about it.
Gary Roberts is God so if he determined that Franzen needed his head checked then there is nothing anybody could do about it.
#70
2010-03-08 12:59
Quoting Chewy:
"Haha"
I readily admit that I enjoyed the Mule getting a little cobweb clearing. I also must say that I am apparently a qualified "dicktoucher" in that anything bad that happens to Ovie=win for me. I am strangely comfortable with it.
Gary Roberts is God so if he determined that Franzen needed his head checked then there is nothing anybody could do about it.
"Haha"
I readily admit that I enjoyed the Mule getting a little cobweb clearing. I also must say that I am apparently a qualified "dicktoucher" in that anything bad that happens to Ovie=win for me. I am strangely comfortable with it.
#71
2010-03-08 13:00
Quoting loco4pens:
If he dies...he dies.
Too soon?
wooooooooooooo
Go Cookie!
Anyone know Savard's condition right now?
If he dies...he dies.
Too soon?
wooooooooooooo
Go Cookie!
#72
2010-03-08 13:01
Quoting loco4pens:
He's been released and cleared to fly back to Boston. He has a concussion, though the severity hasn't been disclosed last I saw.
Anyone know Savard's condition right now?
He's been released and cleared to fly back to Boston. He has a concussion, though the severity hasn't been disclosed last I saw.
#74
2010-03-08 13:03
Quoting Docc8:
$2k? to fix a Suby turbo? What is it a rare jdm something with a twin scroll?
Used vf/td stock turbos in good shape = ~$300-400, takes under 2 hours for a novice with limp wrists to change out. Everything is on top.
If you can change a tire and change your oil, this shouldn't be too difficult.
Pretty easy way to save some green. Just an idear
Turboblog
Well, I didn't make the game, since the turbo on my Subaru blew out right around Breezewood. Wound up watching it back at my folks' place near Harrisburg after getting a tow. The notion to make this game will now run me in the neighborhood of $2 grand. So much for deciding to take a Sunday trip to the Mellon.
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$2k? to fix a Suby turbo? What is it a rare jdm something with a twin scroll?
Used vf/td stock turbos in good shape = ~$300-400, takes under 2 hours for a novice with limp wrists to change out. Everything is on top.
If you can change a tire and change your oil, this shouldn't be too difficult.
Pretty easy way to save some green. Just an idear
#75
2010-03-08 13:05
Quote:
I can't argue this point, you're right. There'd also be a lot of "I hate the guy, but you never want to see that". There was a bit of cheering going on when Ovechkin hurt himself going knee-on-knee, but that's not really comparable because everybody but the staunchest of Ovie supporters could agree that he hurt himself trying a cheap shot and got what he deserved.
I just think Cooke should be sat down and forced to watch clips of Brenden Morrow and Steve Ott in Dallas while he's tied to some Clockwork Orange-like contraption designed to fuck with his mind. Every time they show Morrow deliver a hard, clean check or back off enough on an exposed player to keep from hurting him, it will be accompanied with pictures of tits and sweet music. Whenever Ott runs out there like a rabid dog and looks for ways to hurt guys, he gets subjected to painful electric shocks and the sounds of his mother yelling at him with a dentist drill going in the background.
Rage is right, Cooke is a professional dick and that's his role. There's always going to be jobs for guys like that because they make teams harder to play against. But, he's got to make changes to his game to recognize that trying to take people's heads off isn't going to be tolerated.
Finally, I'd like to echo agreement that the Richards hit on Booth is a big reason there's such a clusterfuck about every one of these hits. The fact that he got off scott-free adds credence to any argument that a hit to the head shouldn't be an automatic suspension.
If Crosby got hurt by a cheap shot their would be rejoicing all over the Internets. No doubt about it.
I can't argue this point, you're right. There'd also be a lot of "I hate the guy, but you never want to see that". There was a bit of cheering going on when Ovechkin hurt himself going knee-on-knee, but that's not really comparable because everybody but the staunchest of Ovie supporters could agree that he hurt himself trying a cheap shot and got what he deserved.
I just think Cooke should be sat down and forced to watch clips of Brenden Morrow and Steve Ott in Dallas while he's tied to some Clockwork Orange-like contraption designed to fuck with his mind. Every time they show Morrow deliver a hard, clean check or back off enough on an exposed player to keep from hurting him, it will be accompanied with pictures of tits and sweet music. Whenever Ott runs out there like a rabid dog and looks for ways to hurt guys, he gets subjected to painful electric shocks and the sounds of his mother yelling at him with a dentist drill going in the background.
Rage is right, Cooke is a professional dick and that's his role. There's always going to be jobs for guys like that because they make teams harder to play against. But, he's got to make changes to his game to recognize that trying to take people's heads off isn't going to be tolerated.
Finally, I'd like to echo agreement that the Richards hit on Booth is a big reason there's such a clusterfuck about every one of these hits. The fact that he got off scott-free adds credence to any argument that a hit to the head shouldn't be an automatic suspension.
#76
2010-03-08 13:09
The GM from Carolina and some dick from NHL live were just saying that Cookie's hit was as dirty as you could get....WTF?!?
#77
2010-03-08 13:11
Quoting J.S.:
I know I shouldnt quote a gif, but I just need to know what it was that hit Franzen the second time. I see Roberts hit him, I see him gather himself, then it's like someone sniped him from the upper-deck and he collapses into a mess.
what, you mean this?
I know I shouldnt quote a gif, but I just need to know what it was that hit Franzen the second time. I see Roberts hit him, I see him gather himself, then it's like someone sniped him from the upper-deck and he collapses into a mess.
#78
2010-03-08 13:15
Quoting wilsmith:
The steely gaze of the ref.
I know I shouldnt quote a gif, but I just need to know what it was that hit Franzen the second time.
The steely gaze of the ref.
#80
2010-03-08 13:20
Quoting bogus:
I don't know. I thought it made sense, and I've read the book more times than is probably healthy.
JJ
It is painfully obvious that you have never seen A Clockwork Orange.
I don't know. I thought it made sense, and I've read the book more times than is probably healthy.
#81
2010-03-08 13:23
Sorry was the GM from TB and EJ Hradek...they called Cookie the dirtiest player in the game...What dickheads!
#82
2010-03-08 13:23
Quoting flowery:
Hmm...didn't realize that. Yeah, I nearly always change my own oil and rotate my own tires. I'm always worried that I'm going to forget some step the Japanese cooked up when I'm doing something like changing spark plugs or a pump. It's just that I was told by the dealership that I may have caused another problem by driving it a few miles after the turbo blew.
Where's the best place to find a refurb OEM turbo for an '05 Legacy?
Quoting Docc8:Turboblog
Well, I didn't make the game, since the turbo on my Subaru blew out right around Breezewood. Wound up watching it back at my folks' place near Harrisburg after getting a tow. The notion to make this game will now run me in the neighborhood of $2 grand. So much for deciding to take a Sunday trip to the Mellon.
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$2k? to fix a Suby turbo? What is it a rare jdm something with a twin scroll?
Used vf/td stock turbos in good shape = ~$300-400, takes under 2 hours for a novice with limp wrists to change out. Everything is on top.
If you can change a tire and change your oil, this shouldn't be too difficult.
Pretty easy way to save some green. Just an idear
Hmm...didn't realize that. Yeah, I nearly always change my own oil and rotate my own tires. I'm always worried that I'm going to forget some step the Japanese cooked up when I'm doing something like changing spark plugs or a pump. It's just that I was told by the dealership that I may have caused another problem by driving it a few miles after the turbo blew.
Where's the best place to find a refurb OEM turbo for an '05 Legacy?
#83
2010-03-08 13:25
Raptor...more than once is unhealthy and I said that only because it wasn't a contraption; they simply played music, flashed clips and held his eyes open...pretty basic really.
#85
2010-03-08 13:31
Quote:
Are you serious? Perhaps it's because I used the qualifier "like" in my post or perhaps it's because you're an idiot, but I'm not sure how you fail to see the connection between classical conditioning through torture in the two situations.
Edit: Oh, it's the word "contraption" you had a problem with. Let me clarify. Strapping somebody to a chair and putting something that forces a man's eyes open while keeping them moist counts as a "contraption".
JJ
It is painfully obvious that you have never seen A Clockwork Orange.
Are you serious? Perhaps it's because I used the qualifier "like" in my post or perhaps it's because you're an idiot, but I'm not sure how you fail to see the connection between classical conditioning through torture in the two situations.
Edit: Oh, it's the word "contraption" you had a problem with. Let me clarify. Strapping somebody to a chair and putting something that forces a man's eyes open while keeping them moist counts as a "contraption".
#86
2010-03-08 13:32
Quoting bogus:
Steve Ott disagrees with this comment
Sorry was the GM from TB and EJ Hradek...they called Cookie the dirtiest player in the game...What dickheads!
Steve Ott disagrees with this comment
#87
2010-03-08 13:34
Quoting bogus:
Completely agree.
Quote:
Didn't he receive an injection beforehand that caused him to feel sick in the first place? I guess that's not a contraption, but there's more to it than just dry eyes.
Raptor...more than once is unhealthy
Completely agree.
Quote:
and I said that only because it wasn't a contraption; they simply played music, flashed clips and held his eyes open...pretty basic really.
Didn't he receive an injection beforehand that caused him to feel sick in the first place? I guess that's not a contraption, but there's more to it than just dry eyes.
#88
2010-03-08 13:34
Cookie is not the dirtiest player in the league. I don't even think it was a dirty hit, just the product of bad timing/judgment.
As far as precedent is concerned, he shouldn't have been suspended for the Anisimov hit.
IT WAS A SHOULDER NOT AN ELBOW. He keeps his arm tucked. How can anyone think he sticks his elbow out?
Cookie, despite the nickname, is not a monster and did not intentionally try to hurt Savard.
But he still hit him in the head. After everything I've said to defend him, I still think he should be suspended.
Afterall, an unintentional high stick is still two minutes in the box.
As far as precedent is concerned, he shouldn't have been suspended for the Anisimov hit.
IT WAS A SHOULDER NOT AN ELBOW. He keeps his arm tucked. How can anyone think he sticks his elbow out?
Cookie, despite the nickname, is not a monster and did not intentionally try to hurt Savard.
But he still hit him in the head. After everything I've said to defend him, I still think he should be suspended.
Afterall, an unintentional high stick is still two minutes in the box.
#89
2010-03-08 13:34
Quoting Docc8:
cgi.ebay.com/.../...
Not a screaming deal, but if you want assurance, it's new. If you've got time, I'd call Blouch and see if they'll just rebuild it.
www.blouchturbo.com/
They're in PA, should be around 300-400 bones to rebuild and it would be off for a week or less. Try scoobymods.com or even nasioc.com (if you must, informative but full of internet smug) to get an idea of how easy/hard it is to change a turbo. You don't even have to jack up the car. I could help you put it back on if you want a second set of eyes.
Hmm...didn't realize that. Yeah, I nearly always change my own oil and rotate my own tires. I'm always worried that I'm going to forget some step the Japanese cooked up when I'm doing something like changing spark plugs or a pump. It's just that I was told by the dealership that I may have caused another problem by driving it a few miles after the turbo blew.
Where's the best place to find a refurb OEM turbo for an '05 Legacy?
cgi.ebay.com/.../...
Not a screaming deal, but if you want assurance, it's new. If you've got time, I'd call Blouch and see if they'll just rebuild it.
www.blouchturbo.com/
They're in PA, should be around 300-400 bones to rebuild and it would be off for a week or less. Try scoobymods.com or even nasioc.com (if you must, informative but full of internet smug) to get an idea of how easy/hard it is to change a turbo. You don't even have to jack up the car. I could help you put it back on if you want a second set of eyes.
#90
2010-03-08 13:39
JJ psychology is my field and I am telling you that you should just commit suicide...you have nothing to offer society.
#91
2010-03-08 13:40
Quoting bogus:
That's **former** TB GM ... the current one is looking for ways to tease his hair and piss off the coaches and players again.
***
Quoting J.S.:
They are withholding camera views again! Suspend the FSN staff.
***
What is with Savard not going to a hospital? When did Boston go with the Bobby Clarke School of Concussion and Injury Treatment?
Sorry was the GM from TB and EJ Hradek...they called Cookie the dirtiest player in the game...What dickheads!
That's **former** TB GM ... the current one is looking for ways to tease his hair and piss off the coaches and players again.
***
Quoting J.S.:
agreed. I would like to see a view of this from the side of the ice where Cooke was coming from.
They are withholding camera views again! Suspend the FSN staff.
***
What is with Savard not going to a hospital? When did Boston go with the Bobby Clarke School of Concussion and Injury Treatment?
#92
2010-03-08 13:42
Raptor...yes there was an injection and that was what was supposed to eventually bring about the aversion to violence = physical illness. The fact that it was Beethoven that broke him was hilarious.
#93
2010-03-08 13:45
Quoting bogus:
Psychology was my minor. Feel free to correct me re: classical conditioning and/or the use of the word "contraption", since my degree is in the arts.
While we're fighting about stupid shit, if you like Blue M&Ms, you're a retard.
JJ psychology is my field and I am telling you that you should just commit suicide...you have nothing to offer society.
Psychology was my minor. Feel free to correct me re: classical conditioning and/or the use of the word "contraption", since my degree is in the arts.
While we're fighting about stupid shit, if you like Blue M&Ms, you're a retard.
#94
2010-03-08 13:47
I'm just starting to get a sick feeling that Cookie is going to be made an example of and it really wouldn't be fair.
#95
2010-03-08 13:48
Quoting I Have Kasparaitis:
The link posted on Puck Daddy has a closeup view, which is slightly better I guess. I'd still want another view.
Suspend? Fire 'em all. I kid, I kid.
I still don't understand the not going the hospital. If you job is a professional athlete and you plan on being in the league for another 7-8 years, possibly more, then the first thing you should do is get your head checked after a concussion. I'm a beer leaguer and even I know this. I may not have followed it, but I know this ;-).The NHL doesn't have a scoreboard for people who decline to go to the hospital, so he's not racking any points for declining or not visiting on his own.
@bogus, JJ has offered plenty to this board as a non-pens fan more often than I can remember. I may not see eye to eye with everything he types, but he is a solid poster.
(JJ, you are a "he", right?)
Quoting J.S.:agreed. I would like to see a view of this from the side of the ice where Cooke was coming from.
They are withholding camera views again! Suspend the FSN staff.
***
What is with Savard not going to a hospital? When did Boston go with the Bobby Clarke School of Concussion and Injury Treatment?
The link posted on Puck Daddy has a closeup view, which is slightly better I guess. I'd still want another view.
Suspend? Fire 'em all. I kid, I kid.
I still don't understand the not going the hospital. If you job is a professional athlete and you plan on being in the league for another 7-8 years, possibly more, then the first thing you should do is get your head checked after a concussion. I'm a beer leaguer and even I know this. I may not have followed it, but I know this ;-).The NHL doesn't have a scoreboard for people who decline to go to the hospital, so he's not racking any points for declining or not visiting on his own.
@bogus, JJ has offered plenty to this board as a non-pens fan more often than I can remember. I may not see eye to eye with everything he types, but he is a solid poster.
(JJ, you are a "he", right?)
#97
2010-03-08 13:51
Quoting bogus:
I guess that they don't get much time to watch the craps and ao.....touchers.
But is going from busting knees to busting cameras much of an improvement...
Sorry was the GM from TB and EJ Hradek...they called Cookie the dirtiest player in the game...What dickheads!
I guess that they don't get much time to watch the craps and ao.....touchers.
But is going from busting knees to busting cameras much of an improvement...
#98
2010-03-08 13:53
EJ Hradek is a fucking joke and always has been...the man was nearly in tears last year having to admit the Pens won the cup...as for the GM from Tampa, if you mean Jay Feaster there is a reason he is doing nothing...
#99
2010-03-08 13:54
JJ I might correct you if I could understand WTF you're trying to say...
classical conditioning and/or the use of the word "contraption", since my degree is in the arts.
means what??? You have a stimulus and a response...there is no contraption.
classical conditioning and/or the use of the word "contraption", since my degree is in the arts.
means what??? You have a stimulus and a response...there is no contraption.
#100
2010-03-08 13:56
@JJ and bogus
This is actually funny watching you too go at it like Trekkies discussing who was a better captain Kirk, or Picard...
Nothing like intellectual masturbation
This is actually funny watching you too go at it like Trekkies discussing who was a better captain Kirk, or Picard...
Nothing like intellectual masturbation
#101
2010-03-08 13:58
Sorry JS but when he called me an idiot he was fair game. I usually post on the fox news website when I feel like messing with people but he'll do.
#103
2010-03-08 14:00
Sakic...I was actually thinking absurd but if you want to add sexual overtones feel free.
#104
2010-03-08 14:01
@docc8
is that JJ or bogus...I'm thinking bogus, that doesnt really look like Kansas very much
is that JJ or bogus...I'm thinking bogus, that doesnt really look like Kansas very much
#108
2010-03-08 14:02
Quoting Sakic19:
Really? EJ was estatic that Sid won the Cup and has been a fan of Sid even though he is a Rags fan. I don't remember him being upset.
***
I think of the Cooke hit more like Jeff Carter's hit than Richards' ... both were borderline, though. The League better make changes during the offseason and make a uniform system for dealing out fines, suspensions, and what constitutes the length of the penalty.
EJ Hradek is a fucking joke and always has been...the man was nearly in tears last year having to admit the Pens won the cup...as for the GM from Tampa, if you mean Jay Feaster there is a reason he is doing nothing...
Really? EJ was estatic that Sid won the Cup and has been a fan of Sid even though he is a Rags fan. I don't remember him being upset.
***
I think of the Cooke hit more like Jeff Carter's hit than Richards' ... both were borderline, though. The League better make changes during the offseason and make a uniform system for dealing out fines, suspensions, and what constitutes the length of the penalty.
#109
2010-03-08 14:03
My degree in the arts = my understanding of the English language = our disagreement about what exactly "contraption" means. It seems as though that's the sticking point. Had I said that Matt Cooke should be placed in a chair and forced through the conditioning with Ott/Morrow like in 'A Clockwork Orange', it doesn't appear like we'd have a problem. I don't know, I didn't take any psychology classes above the 600-level, but is there a different definition for "contraption" under which you're operating?
The contraption was the chair with the straps and the device used to hold Alex's eyes open and keep them moistened while he was forced to watch the images.
I can't believe I have to teach this to what I'm assuming is a college student.
@J.S. Yes, I'm a guy.
The contraption was the chair with the straps and the device used to hold Alex's eyes open and keep them moistened while he was forced to watch the images.
I can't believe I have to teach this to what I'm assuming is a college student.
@J.S. Yes, I'm a guy.
#110
2010-03-08 14:06
Quoting Docc8:
Nice. I wish my job was that satisfying (and had a dress code that loose). The degree is history and it's every bit as useful to somebody working in financial planning as one might expect.
Quoting bogus:...since my degree is in the arts.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO
Nice. I wish my job was that satisfying (and had a dress code that loose). The degree is history and it's every bit as useful to somebody working in financial planning as one might expect.
#111
2010-03-08 14:08
@IHK
on his show last year the monday after the finals ended it was him and I think Deb Placey and he was dejected because all playoffs long he guarenteed the wings would win...he like Melrose picked against the pens in every series except the Canes series so it was amusing to see him attempt to give credit to the Pens...
on his show last year the monday after the finals ended it was him and I think Deb Placey and he was dejected because all playoffs long he guarenteed the wings would win...he like Melrose picked against the pens in every series except the Canes series so it was amusing to see him attempt to give credit to the Pens...
#112
2010-03-08 14:09
No dipshit...a contraption is a mechanical device...there was no MECHANICAL device and it was a PERSON who stood there with eyedrops...according to you she would be a contraption too
#114
2010-03-08 14:11
Quoting bogus:
You're right, there was a person.
What do you call the thing designed to hold his eyes open? You know, the thing MECHANICALLY holding his eyes open?
No dipshit...a contraption is a mechanical device...there was no MECHANICAL device and it was a PERSON who stood there with eyedrops...according to you she would be a contraption too
You're right, there was a person.
What do you call the thing designed to hold his eyes open? You know, the thing MECHANICALLY holding his eyes open?
#116
2010-03-08 14:14
I Have Kasparaitis
I don't think it was even close to being a dirty hit...just look at the hit that Gonch had on Clutterbuck. THAT was a dirty hit. I fail to see how Cookie's hit even comes close to that.
I don't think it was even close to being a dirty hit...just look at the hit that Gonch had on Clutterbuck. THAT was a dirty hit. I fail to see how Cookie's hit even comes close to that.
#117
2010-03-08 14:14
Quoting Sakic19:
Hahaha, sounds like EJ put money down on the Wings. Ugh, Deb Placey ... she's one of the most annoying Islanders people. I prefer Rob Simpson having that spot.
@IHK
on his show last year the monday after the finals ended it was him and I think Deb Placey and he was dejected because all playoffs long he guarenteed the wings would win...he like Melrose picked against the pens in every series except the Canes series so it was amusing to see him attempt to give credit to the Pens...
Hahaha, sounds like EJ put money down on the Wings. Ugh, Deb Placey ... she's one of the most annoying Islanders people. I prefer Rob Simpson having that spot.
#118
2010-03-08 14:14
Quoting bogus:
Oh. My. God. If you are so sure that you're right, then there's really no need for you to keep commenting on this, is there?
I say this with the utmost sincerity: shut the hell up already. We get it, you think you're uber-smart and better than JJ. Put your internet dick back in your pants and move on.
If I proclaim you the winner and staff promises to send you a cookie, will you stop raping the corpse of the horse you beat to death about 30 comments ago?
No dipshit...a contraption is a mechanical device...there was no MECHANICAL device and it was a PERSON who stood there with eyedrops...according to you she would be a contraption too
Oh. My. God. If you are so sure that you're right, then there's really no need for you to keep commenting on this, is there?
I say this with the utmost sincerity: shut the hell up already. We get it, you think you're uber-smart and better than JJ. Put your internet dick back in your pants and move on.
If I proclaim you the winner and staff promises to send you a cookie, will you stop raping the corpse of the horse you beat to death about 30 comments ago?
#119
2010-03-08 14:16
@pensfan2166
I believe its a "fake dick" as bogus is a "lady"
@IHK
gotta agree with you there Simpson is by far better to listen to but having to watch all Rags/Isles people pretty much sucks anyway
I believe its a "fake dick" as bogus is a "lady"
@IHK
gotta agree with you there Simpson is by far better to listen to but having to watch all Rags/Isles people pretty much sucks anyway
#120
2010-03-08 14:16
Seriously though. If you want to keep fighting over semantics and word definitions.
jjfromkansas@gm ail.com
Any word yet on how the disciplinary hearing went?
jjfromkansas@gm ail.com
Any word yet on how the disciplinary hearing went?
#122
2010-03-08 14:18
Quoting PensFan2166:
I was going to get on and post about the definition of a contraption, aka "someone needs to chill-the-fuck-down." But this, this I couldn't state any better. Chill, bogus.
Oh. My. God. If you are so sure that you're right, then there's really no need for you to keep commenting on this, is there?
I say this with the utmost sincerity: shut the hell up already. We get it, you think you're uber-smart and better than JJ. Put your internet dick back in your pants and move on.
I was going to get on and post about the definition of a contraption, aka "someone needs to chill-the-fuck-down." But this, this I couldn't state any better. Chill, bogus.
#123
2010-03-08 14:18
JJ
I just think Cooke should be sat down and forced to watch clips of Brenden Morrow and Steve Ott in Dallas while he's tied to some Clockwork Orange-like contraption
I believe you're referring to the chair...which is not mechanical and if you want to get technical neither are the things holding his eyes opened. Perhaps you should look up the definition of mechanical.
I just think Cooke should be sat down and forced to watch clips of Brenden Morrow and Steve Ott in Dallas while he's tied to some Clockwork Orange-like contraption
I believe you're referring to the chair...which is not mechanical and if you want to get technical neither are the things holding his eyes opened. Perhaps you should look up the definition of mechanical.
#124
2010-03-08 14:19
Quoting bogus:
You know the NHL is trying to cut down on hits to the head. Anything with the head is going to be an issue and people assume dirty by head shots. Sure it was shoulder, but they feel the players aren't safe. I still feel those hits are borderline in the NHL as it is today.
Edit: Also note that wasn't the point of my comment ... the words about making uniform rules is. I prefer Cooke being suspended because he deserves it according to the rules than someone not being suspended based on how their presence alters ticket sales.
***
Shero's on NHL Live ... Woo!
I Have Kasparaitis
I don't think it was even close to being a dirty hit...just look at the hit that Gonch had on Clutterbuck. THAT was a dirty hit. I fail to see how Cookie's hit even comes close to that.
You know the NHL is trying to cut down on hits to the head. Anything with the head is going to be an issue and people assume dirty by head shots. Sure it was shoulder, but they feel the players aren't safe. I still feel those hits are borderline in the NHL as it is today.
Edit: Also note that wasn't the point of my comment ... the words about making uniform rules is. I prefer Cooke being suspended because he deserves it according to the rules than someone not being suspended based on how their presence alters ticket sales.
***
Shero's on NHL Live ... Woo!
#127
2010-03-08 14:20
Quoting Sakic19:
Hence why I said "internet dick." Bogus already made it a point to write that she's female.
While we're pointlessly arguing semantics & definitions here in C-blog today, I would like to tell you there is a difference between "lady" and "woman." Learn it. Know it. Live it.
@pensfan2166
I believe its a "fake dick" as bogus is a "lady"
Hence why I said "internet dick." Bogus already made it a point to write that she's female.
While we're pointlessly arguing semantics & definitions here in C-blog today, I would like to tell you there is a difference between "lady" and "woman." Learn it. Know it. Live it.
#129
2010-03-08 14:24
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
I bet PaulinMiamiBeac h is salivating at the idea.
So... who's ready to talk plus/minus?
I bet PaulinMiamiBeac h is salivating at the idea.
#130
2010-03-08 14:25
@pensfan2166
note that I used quotations with fake dick and lady
@JJ
Plus/Minus: I'm hearing that Craps fans are actually learning a new hockey statitstic this year...maybe one of these days they'll understand the concept of icing as well...
note that I used quotations with fake dick and lady
@JJ
Plus/Minus: I'm hearing that Craps fans are actually learning a new hockey statitstic this year...maybe one of these days they'll understand the concept of icing as well...
#131
2010-03-08 14:26
Quoting bogus:
Perhaps you should look up the definition of "superfluous," as in:
"Your constant harping on JJ's Clockwork Orange comment is so fucking superfluous to the substantive topic at hand, i.e., Matt Cooke, that your reproductive rights have been reneged and you must hand over your ovaries within 10 days to prevent creation of blastocysts exhibiting mild retardation."
My degree was apparently in the art of telling people to shut the fuck up and move on.
Perhaps you should look up the definition of mechanical.
Perhaps you should look up the definition of "superfluous," as in:
"Your constant harping on JJ's Clockwork Orange comment is so fucking superfluous to the substantive topic at hand, i.e., Matt Cooke, that your reproductive rights have been reneged and you must hand over your ovaries within 10 days to prevent creation of blastocysts exhibiting mild retardation."
My degree was apparently in the art of telling people to shut the fuck up and move on.
#132
2010-03-08 14:28
Quoting Stilly:
Are you talking about plus/minus or touching 10-year-old boys? I believe they both apply in this situation.
I bet PaulinMiamiBeac h is salivating at the idea.
Are you talking about plus/minus or touching 10-year-old boys? I believe they both apply in this situation.
#133
2010-03-08 14:32
Quoting Sakic19:
let's give them one statistic at a time. I hear they're still struggling with learning what a hat trick is.
@JJ
Plus/Minus: I'm hearing that Craps fans are actually learning a new hockey statitstic this year...maybe one of these days they'll understand the concept of icing as well...
let's give them one statistic at a time. I hear they're still struggling with learning what a hat trick is.
#134
2010-03-08 14:36
@J.S.
The thing that really makes me sick, ok, one of the things that really makes me sick of their "fans" is that they have no concept of the game and really havent tried to learn anything about the rules, the code, or the history of not just the game but their own team...
If you mention the name Rod Langway I would bet that 75% of Craps fans would have no idea who that is, and they would assume its the name of an anchor on sportscenter who routinely shows the Great Apes highlight reels...
The thing that really makes me sick, ok, one of the things that really makes me sick of their "fans" is that they have no concept of the game and really havent tried to learn anything about the rules, the code, or the history of not just the game but their own team...
If you mention the name Rod Langway I would bet that 75% of Craps fans would have no idea who that is, and they would assume its the name of an anchor on sportscenter who routinely shows the Great Apes highlight reels...
#135
2010-03-08 14:38
Quoting J.S.:
Plus-minus might take a season and half while they wonder why Ovie didn't get pluses for all his PP goals.
Quoting Sakic19:@JJ
Plus/Minus: I'm hearing that Craps fans are actually learning a new hockey statitstic this year...maybe one of these days they'll understand the concept of icing as well...
let's give them one statistic at a time. I hear they're still struggling with learning what a hat trick is.
Plus-minus might take a season and half while they wonder why Ovie didn't get pluses for all his PP goals.
#136
2010-03-08 14:43
Quoting Raptor:
And to have to explain that shootout goals don't count for +/- just like they don't count for a hat trick may blow their minds completely.
Plus-minus might take a season and half while they wonder why Ovie didn't get pluses for all his PP goals.
And to have to explain that shootout goals don't count for +/- just like they don't count for a hat trick may blow their minds completely.
#137
2010-03-08 14:48
I was gonna get on here and bitch that NHLers are EXTREMELY well paid to risk their "quality of life" so I don't care about hits to the head, or even if players are slobbering window-lickers the rest of their lives after their careers, but since there is already much asshattery and dicktoucery afoot in cblog, I will leave it go....
Pray continue...bring the hate, bitches
Quoting Stilly:
I think you meant "solid", but if you stop and think about your statement, you will find it as humorous as I do..."as solid a WINGS commentator". Too(not to or two)funny.
I'm off for the daily 6 mile sabbatical(run) . Enjoy, and Doc, get off dictionary.com
woooooooooooo
Go Pens
Pray continue...bring the hate, bitches
Quoting Stilly:
This cblog has derailed. JJ is as sold as Wings commentators come.
I think you meant "solid", but if you stop and think about your statement, you will find it as humorous as I do..."as solid a WINGS commentator". Too(not to or two)funny.
I'm off for the daily 6 mile sabbatical(run) . Enjoy, and Doc, get off dictionary.com
woooooooooooo
Go Pens
#138
2010-03-08 14:50
Quoting Rage:
Fuck you for pointing it out and fuck me for not catching it. Sadface.
Edit: And I'm fucking leaving it there or else these two posts won't make a lick of sense.
I think you meant "solid", but if you stop and think about your statement, you will find it as humorous as I do..."as solid a WINGS commentator". Too(not to or two)funny.
Fuck you for pointing it out and fuck me for not catching it. Sadface.
Edit: And I'm fucking leaving it there or else these two posts won't make a lick of sense.
#140
2010-03-08 15:06
Interesting snippet from a Pierre Lebrun article at the WWL.
Quoting Lebrun:
Wonder who the 'small group of GM's' are?
Quoting Lebrun:
• There's a small group of GMs who plan to bring up their belief that the standard of officiating has gradually slipped from where the game was coming out of the lockout -- that obstruction has crept its way back into the game. This could be a heated discussion. I'm not sure the league agrees with these GMs at all. Stay tuned.
Wonder who the 'small group of GM's' are?
#141
2010-03-08 15:08
Quoting Rage:
Hell, I'll do it...
Marc Savard gets paid $7 million a year to play hockey. If he doesn't want to worry about getting hit in the head tell him to go play in a rec league and get a job at Wendy's. I'd be pissed if I were a Bruins fan, and the Pens better play Rupp and Adams on every line for the next Bruins game, but whatevs. Did you watch the women's ice hockey games in the Olympics? That's what hockey without hitting looks like. Not a fan.
I was gonna get on here and bitch that NHLers are EXTREMELY well paid to risk their "quality of life" so I don't care about hits to the head, or even if players are slobbering window-lickers the rest of their lives after their careers, but since there is already much asshattery and dicktoucery afoot in cblog, I will leave it go....
Hell, I'll do it...
Marc Savard gets paid $7 million a year to play hockey. If he doesn't want to worry about getting hit in the head tell him to go play in a rec league and get a job at Wendy's. I'd be pissed if I were a Bruins fan, and the Pens better play Rupp and Adams on every line for the next Bruins game, but whatevs. Did you watch the women's ice hockey games in the Olympics? That's what hockey without hitting looks like. Not a fan.
#142
2010-03-08 15:15
Quoting dancoulter:
You had me up to this moment. A rule against hits to the head will absolutely not gradually phase out hitting altogether. It will force players to make better decisions about when and how to hit for sure.
Raybin made the point, and I agree 100%... these hits are careless. Not necessarily dirty. Carter's hit on Salmela and Richards' hit on Booth were both horrendously careless. Neither one, though, was technically illegal.
A hit specifically outlawing hits to the head forces players to actually think about making a hit.
What will be interesting, is that when a rule is declared (and I'm betting something comes out of the GM meetings) what will the penalty be? Minor penalty? Major? Major and a misconduct?
Did you watch the women's ice hockey games in the Olympics? That's what hockey without hitting looks like. Not a fan.
You had me up to this moment. A rule against hits to the head will absolutely not gradually phase out hitting altogether. It will force players to make better decisions about when and how to hit for sure.
Raybin made the point, and I agree 100%... these hits are careless. Not necessarily dirty. Carter's hit on Salmela and Richards' hit on Booth were both horrendously careless. Neither one, though, was technically illegal.
A hit specifically outlawing hits to the head forces players to actually think about making a hit.
What will be interesting, is that when a rule is declared (and I'm betting something comes out of the GM meetings) what will the penalty be? Minor penalty? Major? Major and a misconduct?
#143
2010-03-08 15:17
Our new additions to cblog just keep going further and further down hill. Jesus christ, if you're just here to troll, how about doing the rest of us a favor and finding somewhere else to do it? The interwebs are a big place.
#144
2010-03-08 15:18
Quote:
Did you watch the mens' hockey? That's what mandatory punishments for hits to the head looks like.
Since you're talking about escalation, that's a good segway to Stilly's post:
Quote:
I don't know about you guys, but I'm hoping my GM is part of that contingent. There are a lot of free hands getting on a lot of players and slowing them down lately and that makes for less exciting hockey. Also, defensemen taking two steps laterally to get in the way of a guy who just dumped the puck in gets old quick.
Did you watch the women's ice hockey games in the Olympics? That's what hockey without hitting looks like. Not a fan.
Did you watch the mens' hockey? That's what mandatory punishments for hits to the head looks like.
Since you're talking about escalation, that's a good segway to Stilly's post:
Quote:
Wonder who the 'small group of GM's' are?
I don't know about you guys, but I'm hoping my GM is part of that contingent. There are a lot of free hands getting on a lot of players and slowing them down lately and that makes for less exciting hockey. Also, defensemen taking two steps laterally to get in the way of a guy who just dumped the puck in gets old quick.
#145
2010-03-08 15:20
Now we all know that Cooke will be suspended, that he probably should be and that he has already received more than his share of criticism for his hit on Savard. And we also know that the NHL will be rightfully criticized for its hypocrisy and for the inconsistency in which it metes out discipline. But how does the hockey media continue to get away with their journalisitic malpractice? Head shots and the inability of NHL rules to effectively protect against them is hardly a new story. With a few noted exceptions, where have these journalists been on the matter? The problem exists even before a player gets hurt and the media aren't supposed to be as reactive as casual fans in their condemnation of it all. But now we are subject to this automatic, holier-than-thou call for Cooke's head for a situation that the media should have been anticipating all along. Despite what many of these hockey journos might think, their inside access to the NHL and various teams isn't so that they can hang out and shoot the shit while naked, 20something men get undressed. They actually have a responsibility to inform the public and keep a watchful eye on what the NHL brass is doing/not doing. The media has largely ignored the story all season and they were all ready to make jokes at the prospect of the GMs meeting to discuss headshots. But now, in the aftermath of the Cooke hit, it is now all "let justice be done or the heavens fall". Cooke and the NHL have been and should be criticized, but the hockey media's cry of "crucify him" rings very hollow and they really shouldn't have any credibility on this.
#146
2010-03-08 15:21
Quoting bogus:
You are not technical and know nothing of mechanics. Please stop. A fucking doorstop is an inclined plane, aka, simple machine. Look it up. Straps on a chair and lidlocks are mechanical. They direct and resist forces.
Contraption is not a techinical term unless you are from Ohio. Go troll elsewhere, we're talkin turbos here, er-uh, hockey. . .
JJ
I just think Cooke should be sat down and forced to watch clips of Brenden Morrow and Steve Ott in Dallas while he's tied to some Clockwork Orange-like contraption
I believe you're referring to the chair...which is not mechanical and if you want to get technical neither are the things holding his eyes opened. Perhaps you should look up the definition of mechanical.
You are not technical and know nothing of mechanics. Please stop. A fucking doorstop is an inclined plane, aka, simple machine. Look it up. Straps on a chair and lidlocks are mechanical. They direct and resist forces.
Contraption is not a techinical term unless you are from Ohio. Go troll elsewhere, we're talkin turbos here, er-uh, hockey. . .
#147
2010-03-08 15:26
Quoting Stilly:
They have had penalties for hitting from behind for a long time, and it still happens on a consistent basis (see: Ovechkin, Alexander). I just don't believe Players think like that when they're making a hit. They're in some kind of primal attack mode.
Quoting dancoulter:Did you watch the women's ice hockey games in the Olympics? That's what hockey without hitting looks like. Not a fan.
You had me up to this moment. A rule against hits to the head will absolutely not gradually phase out hitting altogether. It will force players to make better decisions about when and how to hit for sure.
Raybin made the point, and I agree 100%... these hits are careless. Not necessarily dirty. Carter's hit on Salmela and Richards' hit on Booth were both horrendously careless. Neither one, though, was technically illegal.
A hit specifically outlawing hits to the head forces players to actually think about making a hit.
What will be interesting, is that when a rule is declared (and I'm betting something comes out of the GM meetings) what will the penalty be? Minor penalty? Major? Major and a misconduct?
They have had penalties for hitting from behind for a long time, and it still happens on a consistent basis (see: Ovechkin, Alexander). I just don't believe Players think like that when they're making a hit. They're in some kind of primal attack mode.
#148
2010-03-08 15:31
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
I would tend to agree about the defensemen getting a little more leash to obstruct the path of a dumping and chasing forward. I think that probably has a lot to do with the hot button topic early in the season regarding defensemen getting hammered going back and playing the puck. I heard more than one hockey analyst blame the crackdown of obstruction for this. I'm wondering if the refs might be allowing a little more to keep the defensemen from being crushed by the chasing forward.
I've seen Gonchar do it a TON in the last 2 months or so. I thought for sure he'd get called for it, but the refs don't seem to mind.
I don't know about you guys, but I'm hoping my GM is part of that contingent. There are a lot of free hands getting on a lot of players and slowing them down lately and that makes for less exciting hockey. Also, defensemen taking two steps laterally to get in the way of a guy who just dumped the puck in gets old quick.
I would tend to agree about the defensemen getting a little more leash to obstruct the path of a dumping and chasing forward. I think that probably has a lot to do with the hot button topic early in the season regarding defensemen getting hammered going back and playing the puck. I heard more than one hockey analyst blame the crackdown of obstruction for this. I'm wondering if the refs might be allowing a little more to keep the defensemen from being crushed by the chasing forward.
I've seen Gonchar do it a TON in the last 2 months or so. I thought for sure he'd get called for it, but the refs don't seem to mind.
#149
2010-03-08 15:31
Quoting dancoulter:
Nobody is saying that the creation and implementation of a clearly-worded and evenly enforced policy against head shots will eliminate 100% of head shots from the game. Physical contact with officials is a punishable action - doesn't mean it doesn't happen on occasion. Bad things happen on occasion on the ice, but that doesn't mean steps shouldn't be taken to minimize risk on the ice without taking away the speed, excitement, and physicality of the game.
They have had penalties for hitting from behind for a long time, and it still happens on a consistent basis (see: Ovechkin, Alexander). I just don't believe Players think like that when they're making a hit. They're in some kind of primal attack mode.
Nobody is saying that the creation and implementation of a clearly-worded and evenly enforced policy against head shots will eliminate 100% of head shots from the game. Physical contact with officials is a punishable action - doesn't mean it doesn't happen on occasion. Bad things happen on occasion on the ice, but that doesn't mean steps shouldn't be taken to minimize risk on the ice without taking away the speed, excitement, and physicality of the game.
#150
2010-03-08 15:31
Quoting dancoulter:
I did watch it and frequently watch women's hockey whenever I can. There is contact in women's hockey and quite a few collisions. You are mistaking the lack of power houses versus Canada and US for hitting not being interesting. Maybe if you watched more than a handful of games outside the Olympics, you would like women's hockey more. There are many talented women and US/Canada is bigger for the women than men; watch women's college hockey, definitely good stuff.
And it's not taking hits completely out of hockey. It's trying to cut down hits to the head to keep players going longer.
Edit: Quoting PensFan2166:
This says it all. Thank you.
Did you watch the women's ice hockey games in the Olympics? That's what hockey without hitting looks like. Not a fan.
I did watch it and frequently watch women's hockey whenever I can. There is contact in women's hockey and quite a few collisions. You are mistaking the lack of power houses versus Canada and US for hitting not being interesting. Maybe if you watched more than a handful of games outside the Olympics, you would like women's hockey more. There are many talented women and US/Canada is bigger for the women than men; watch women's college hockey, definitely good stuff.
And it's not taking hits completely out of hockey. It's trying to cut down hits to the head to keep players going longer.
Edit: Quoting PensFan2166:
Nobody is saying that the creation and implementation of a clearly-worded and evenly enforced policy against head shots will eliminate 100% of head shots from the game. Physical contact with officials is a punishable action - doesn't mean it doesn't happen on occasion. Bad things happen on occasion on the ice, but that doesn't mean steps shouldn't be taken to minimize risk on the ice without taking away the speed, excitement, and physicality of the game.
This says it all. Thank you.
#151
2010-03-08 15:36
Quoting Stilly:
Protecting the D-men is probably the biggest reason behind it and it's hard to argue with that. If only there were some way to allow the goalie to go to the corner and handle the puck if he so chose...
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:I don't know about you guys, but I'm hoping my GM is part of that contingent. There are a lot of free hands getting on a lot of players and slowing them down lately and that makes for less exciting hockey. Also, defensemen taking two steps laterally to get in the way of a guy who just dumped the puck in gets old quick.
I would tend to agree about the defensemen getting a little more leash to obstruct the path of a dumping and chasing forward. I think that probably has a lot to do with the hot button topic early in the season regarding defensemen getting hammered going back and playing the puck. I heard more than one hockey analyst blame the crackdown of obstruction for this. I'm wondering if the refs might be allowing a little more to keep the defensemen from being crushed by the chasing forward.
I've seen Gonchar do it a TON in the last 2 months or so. I thought for sure he'd get called for it, but the refs don't seem to mind.
Protecting the D-men is probably the biggest reason behind it and it's hard to argue with that. If only there were some way to allow the goalie to go to the corner and handle the puck if he so chose...
#152
2010-03-08 15:40
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
I see what you mean. Yeah if only there were a way to paint over a couple of lines and protect defensemen without having to allow obstruction, well that might be ideal.
Protecting the D-men is probably the biggest reason behind it and it's hard to argue with that. If only there were some way to allow the goalie to go to the corner and handle the puck if he so chose...
I see what you mean. Yeah if only there were a way to paint over a couple of lines and protect defensemen without having to allow obstruction, well that might be ideal.
#153
2010-03-08 15:42
Flowery...do you not understand what DROP IT means...you were not even part of that conversation but hey thanks for putting your 2 cents in there.
#154
2010-03-08 15:42
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
If they want to protect defensemen from getting hammered while still cracking down on obstruction, they should do the following:
1. Get rid of that stupid trapezoid crap and allow goalies to play the puck. Don't punish players for excelling at a specific part of the game. That's like telling Sid he can't take face-offs or Malkin can't stickhandle because they're better at it than most other players.
2. No-touch icing. Olympic & college hockey both prove this can work without taking away from the game. If anything, it helps speed up the game since 90% of icing calls don't involve a race to the puck.
3. Call charging the way the rule is written - i.e. when players leave their feet and/or take long runs at players to make a hit.
If those 3 things are done, I bet you that defensemen won't feel they need to obstruct forwards as much to protect their defensive partner from being laid out when going to get the puck.
Protecting the D-men is probably the biggest reason behind it and it's hard to argue with that. If only there were some way to allow the goalie to go to the corner and handle the puck if he so chose...
If they want to protect defensemen from getting hammered while still cracking down on obstruction, they should do the following:
1. Get rid of that stupid trapezoid crap and allow goalies to play the puck. Don't punish players for excelling at a specific part of the game. That's like telling Sid he can't take face-offs or Malkin can't stickhandle because they're better at it than most other players.
2. No-touch icing. Olympic & college hockey both prove this can work without taking away from the game. If anything, it helps speed up the game since 90% of icing calls don't involve a race to the puck.
3. Call charging the way the rule is written - i.e. when players leave their feet and/or take long runs at players to make a hit.
If those 3 things are done, I bet you that defensemen won't feel they need to obstruct forwards as much to protect their defensive partner from being laid out when going to get the puck.
#155
2010-03-08 15:46
I would also like to say that I do not appreciate being called a troller. I read this blog frequently but don't usually post because I have an injury that prevents me from sitting at the computer for extended amounts of time. Hence me being gone for the last hour plus.
#156
2010-03-08 15:48
Anything about how long Cookie will be suspended for. I heard he'll be treated as a repeat offender.
#157
2010-03-08 15:50
Quoting bogus:
It sucks that you're injured, but please refrain from using an injury as an opportunity to play the victim. People called you out for being argumentative and obnoxiously semantic. Just because you have an injury doesn't mean you get a pass for being fucking annoying.
I would also like to say that I do not appreciate being called a troller. I read this blog frequently but don't usually post because I have an injury that prevents me from sitting at the computer for extended amounts of time. Hence me being gone for the last hour plus.
It sucks that you're injured, but please refrain from using an injury as an opportunity to play the victim. People called you out for being argumentative and obnoxiously semantic. Just because you have an injury doesn't mean you get a pass for being fucking annoying.
#158
2010-03-08 15:51
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
He isn't. Holland is in the group that's addressing hits to the head, along with Darcy Regier (Sabres), Jim Rutherford (Canes), Joe Nieuwendyk (Stars), Lou Lamoriello (Devils), Paul Holmgren (Flyers), Doug Wilson (Sharks) and Brian Burke (Leafs).
Quote:Wonder who the 'small group of GM's' are?
I don't know about you guys, but I'm hoping my GM is part of that contingent. There are a lot of free hands getting on a lot of players and slowing them down lately and that makes for less exciting hockey. Also, defensemen taking two steps laterally to get in the way of a guy who just dumped the puck in gets old quick.
He isn't. Holland is in the group that's addressing hits to the head, along with Darcy Regier (Sabres), Jim Rutherford (Canes), Joe Nieuwendyk (Stars), Lou Lamoriello (Devils), Paul Holmgren (Flyers), Doug Wilson (Sharks) and Brian Burke (Leafs).
#159
2010-03-08 15:52
Quoting bogus:
At this point nothing would surprise me. From 5 games to the leadership goose-egg.
It all depends how they break down the event and judge his intent, which is the problem and why these hits keep coming.
Anything about how long Cookie will be suspended for. I heard he'll be treated as a repeat offender.
At this point nothing would surprise me. From 5 games to the leadership goose-egg.
It all depends how they break down the event and judge his intent, which is the problem and why these hits keep coming.
#160
2010-03-08 15:53
Quoting bogus:
Perhaps the use of "troll" by DA was harsh. Does "know-it-all cunt" make you feel better?
No need to thank me...I'm a giver.
I would also like to say that I do not appreciate being called a troller. I read this blog frequently but don't usually post because I have an injury that prevents me from sitting at the computer for extended amounts of time. Hence me being gone for the last hour plus.
Perhaps the use of "troll" by DA was harsh. Does "know-it-all cunt" make you feel better?
No need to thank me...I'm a giver.
#161
2010-03-08 15:54
Stilly...sorry but I'm not playing the victim...I am very sarcastic and always have been and likely always will be...I don't apologize for that.
#162
2010-03-08 15:54
Quoting BlackBlood:
You're right about the working group participation, but I think when Lebrun mentioned 'a small group of GM's' he didn't mean a working group.
Rather he meant a few GM's think that Obstruction is creeping back into the games and they want to discuss it at the meetings.
He isn't. Holland is in the group that's addressing hits to the head, along with Darcy Regier (Sabres), Jim Rutherford (Canes), Joe Nieuwendyk (Stars), Lou Lamoriello (Devils), Paul Holmgren (Flyers), Doug Wilson (Sharks) and Brian Burke (Leafs).
You're right about the working group participation, but I think when Lebrun mentioned 'a small group of GM's' he didn't mean a working group.
Rather he meant a few GM's think that Obstruction is creeping back into the games and they want to discuss it at the meetings.
#163
2010-03-08 15:55
LMAO PensFan you would TOTALLY not be the first or I daresay the last to call me that but usually it's fucking bitch.
#164
2010-03-08 15:57
Since we're on the topic of borderline hits, I thought I'd bring this up.
Most Pens fans should recognize this scene.
img.photobucket.com/.../...
(embedded gif of Kaspar getting props from the bench - changed to prevent c-blog crash - JS)
Even if you weren't a fan 10 years ago, you know this scene.
A lot of people gave Morozov hell about showing his approval for Kaspar's hit on Lindros. But there's another player tapping Kaspar's helmet, as if he were saying "good job". That would be Jan Hrdina, one of my favorite Penguins who I always thought could have a spot in the Shero era but never found his way back.
Is this one of those cases where Staff's "pre-blog" comment of "Don't job Jan Hrdina" comes into play? For those who haven't heard of this, the don't job Hrdina policy, although never official, it's mentioned here: thepensblog.com/.../...
(yes, i'm doing this to disrupt grammarblog)
Most Pens fans should recognize this scene.
img.photobucket.com/.../...
(embedded gif of Kaspar getting props from the bench - changed to prevent c-blog crash - JS)
Even if you weren't a fan 10 years ago, you know this scene.
A lot of people gave Morozov hell about showing his approval for Kaspar's hit on Lindros. But there's another player tapping Kaspar's helmet, as if he were saying "good job". That would be Jan Hrdina, one of my favorite Penguins who I always thought could have a spot in the Shero era but never found his way back.
Is this one of those cases where Staff's "pre-blog" comment of "Don't job Jan Hrdina" comes into play? For those who haven't heard of this, the don't job Hrdina policy, although never official, it's mentioned here: thepensblog.com/.../...
(yes, i'm doing this to disrupt grammarblog)
#165
2010-03-08 15:57
Can't say anything bout the Cooke hit that hasn't already been said. Cookie will get suspended and deservedly so.
Good job by staff to work in Kevin Bacon's opening arguement from "A Few Good Men" into the recap.
Good job by staff to work in Kevin Bacon's opening arguement from "A Few Good Men" into the recap.
#166
2010-03-08 15:57
I was listening to Madden on Pens radio.
He says the rumor is a 5 game suspension for Cooke.
He didn't say where He heard the rumor.
He says the rumor is a 5 game suspension for Cooke.
He didn't say where He heard the rumor.
#167
2010-03-08 16:00
Quoting PensFan2166:
I completely like points 1 and 3 and could go either way on the no-touch icing. I liked it 90% of the time in the olympics, just like I like touch icing 90% of the time in the NHL. I think the crackdown on contact before the boards on icing races that they put in before this season has worked pretty well.
I was pretty surprised to see that Don Cherry was in favor of no-touch icing. Not that his support should strenghten or weaken one side, but I figured anything that makes people less likely to hit would be on his no-no list.
Bottom line is that I'd be ok with either system. If charging and interference are called the right way, and the trapezoid is removed, defensemen getting plastered in icing situations isn't really that big a problem.
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:Protecting the D-men is probably the biggest reason behind it and it's hard to argue with that. If only there were some way to allow the goalie to go to the corner and handle the puck if he so chose...
If they want to protect defensemen from getting hammered while still cracking down on obstruction, they should do the following:
1. Get rid of that stupid trapezoid crap and allow goalies to play the puck. Don't punish players for excelling at a specific part of the game. That's like telling Sid he can't take face-offs or Malkin can't stickhandle because they're better at it than most other players.
2. No-touch icing. Olympic & college hockey both prove this can work without taking away from the game. If anything, it helps speed up the game since 90% of icing calls don't involve a race to the puck.
3. Call charging the way the rule is written - i.e. when players leave their feet and/or take long runs at players to make a hit.
If those 3 things are done, I bet you that defensemen won't feel they need to obstruct forwards as much to protect their defensive partner from being laid out when going to get the puck.
I completely like points 1 and 3 and could go either way on the no-touch icing. I liked it 90% of the time in the olympics, just like I like touch icing 90% of the time in the NHL. I think the crackdown on contact before the boards on icing races that they put in before this season has worked pretty well.
I was pretty surprised to see that Don Cherry was in favor of no-touch icing. Not that his support should strenghten or weaken one side, but I figured anything that makes people less likely to hit would be on his no-no list.
Bottom line is that I'd be ok with either system. If charging and interference are called the right way, and the trapezoid is removed, defensemen getting plastered in icing situations isn't really that big a problem.
#169
2010-03-08 16:01
The irony of the Flyers GM being part of the working-group discussing hits to the head is hilarious. Clearly, the hockey gods have a twisted sense of humor.
#170
2010-03-08 16:02
Quoting Smitty:
Probably his usual source, "overheard in line at Krispy Kreme."
I was listening to Madden on Pens radio.
He says the rumor is a 5 game suspension for Cooke.
He didn't say where He heard the rumor.
Probably his usual source, "overheard in line at Krispy Kreme."
#171
2010-03-08 16:02
They really need to start calling the charges though. I think that is the most dangerous thing that players do to each other and when you add an elbow you're just asking for a serious injury.
#172
2010-03-08 16:10
I think this CBLOG should be titled ANGRY CHAIR
Seriously, shut the fuck up. Literature is for jokes without jobs. Better yet, try to pass the puck around Matt Cooke.
Seriously, shut the fuck up. Literature is for jokes without jobs. Better yet, try to pass the puck around Matt Cooke.
#173
2010-03-08 16:10
Quoting bogus:
Quoting bogus:
If you want to convince people that you're not trolling it may be helpful to not...oh, I don't know...come right out and admit that you're trolling. Just a thought.
I would also like to say that I do not appreciate being called a troller. I read this blog frequently but don't usually post because I have an injury that prevents me from sitting at the computer for extended amounts of time. Hence me being gone for the last hour plus.
Quoting bogus:
Sorry JS but when he called me an idiot he was fair game. I usually post on the fox news website when I feel like messing with people but he'll do.
If you want to convince people that you're not trolling it may be helpful to not...oh, I don't know...come right out and admit that you're trolling. Just a thought.
#174
2010-03-08 16:13
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
Maybe it's the youth coach in me, but I say that Cooke's hit was dirty. Call it "reckless" if it helps you sleep better.
Regardless of your thoughts, I think we can all agree that whether Cooke gets suspended or not:
IT'S ALL MIKE RICHARDS'S FAULT!
Woooooooooooooo oooo!!!
David Booth wanted to weigh-in on the conversation, but he couldn't remember his password.
Double-Wooooooooooooo! !!
Finally, I'd like to echo agreement that the Richards hit on Booth is a big reason there's such a clusterfuck about every one of these hits. The fact that he got off scott-free adds credence to any argument that a hit to the head shouldn't be an automatic suspension.
Maybe it's the youth coach in me, but I say that Cooke's hit was dirty. Call it "reckless" if it helps you sleep better.
Regardless of your thoughts, I think we can all agree that whether Cooke gets suspended or not:
IT'S ALL MIKE RICHARDS'S FAULT!
Woooooooooooooo oooo!!!
David Booth wanted to weigh-in on the conversation, but he couldn't remember his password.
Double-Wooooooooooooo! !!
#175
2010-03-08 16:15
Quoting dying alive:
What's the term i'm looking for? Game, set, match?
slightly offtopic: With that gif of Kaspar's celebration, which is now converted to a link, I somehow managed to go through 10GB of bandwidth at photobucket in less than 6 days. WTF?
Quoting bogus:Sorry JS but when he called me an idiot he was fair game. I usually post on the fox news website when I feel like messing with people but he'll do.
If you want to convince people that you're not trolling it may be helpful to not...oh, I don't know...come right out and admit that you're trolling. Just a thought.
What's the term i'm looking for? Game, set, match?
slightly offtopic: With that gif of Kaspar's celebration, which is now converted to a link, I somehow managed to go through 10GB of bandwidth at photobucket in less than 6 days. WTF?
#176
2010-03-08 16:16
Quoting bogus:
Too easy to make a roidjoke among about 50 others, so I won't even touch that.
Quoting bogus:
Republican jokes=never heard that before
Quoting dying alive:
Exactly.
I don't usually post because I have an injury that prevents me from sitting at the computer for extended amounts of time.....
Too easy to make a roidjoke among about 50 others, so I won't even touch that.
Quoting bogus:
I usually post on the fox news website when I feel like messing with people but he'll do.
Republican jokes=never heard that before
Quoting dying alive:
If you want to convince people that you're not trolling it may be helpful to not...oh, I don't know...come right out and admit that you're trolling. Just a thought.
Exactly.
#177
2010-03-08 16:19
tPB is genius. They talked about the Cooke hit like this to piss people off. It's what they do. Duh.
Jokes took the bait.
Jokes took the bait.
#178
2010-03-08 16:37
You have to pay the troll toll to get into this boy's soul/hole...
@JJ, for what it's worth, I enjoyed your A Clockwork Orange allusion, and I've read the book several times.
And @da, you're my fucking hero.
@JJ, for what it's worth, I enjoyed your A Clockwork Orange allusion, and I've read the book several times.
And @da, you're my fucking hero.
#179
2010-03-08 16:40
Crosby vs. grape ape. bettman loves Crosby. mcguire loves richards. ban fighting. ban headshots. the ONE thing that everybody agrees on is that nhl officiating - both on ice and league wide - sucks. it's random, arbitrary, and unpredictable. there are some very good on ice officials in the league, but right now nhl officiating ranks up there with the WWF of the early-90's. until there can be consistent officiating - at all levels - there will be no consensus and no solution to any issue. wanna fix fighting/head shots/equipment issues? fix the officiating. when you play games as a kid, the first thing you agree on are boundaries(the trashcans are the goal and the plymouth is out of bounds). with no boundaries, nothing makes sense. secondly, lose the instigator rule. if the officials can't/won't keep order at least let the players do it. which bruin stood up for savard? if players know they're going to be held responsible - by ANYBODY - they change their behavior. if tiger williams was playing for the bruins, he and cooke would STILL be swinging at each other. sean avery would still be on life support if he tried that screening shit against brodeur while scott stevens was playing. as it is, the nhl is the WWF. they should blare "no chance" every time colin campbell issues a suspension decree. SOMEBODY has to control the game and until they do, brace yourself for more insanity.
#180
2010-03-08 16:44
literally just hit myself in the temple with a door. i take back all the things I said about Savard.
#181
2010-03-08 16:44
Heard through a source that Savard will pick up a new sponsorship.
Apparently V8 is very interested in sponsoring a vegetable. (e4)
*Shameless joke stealing. Thnx Dan Tosh.
Apparently V8 is very interested in sponsoring a vegetable. (e4)
*Shameless joke stealing. Thnx Dan Tosh.
#182
2010-03-08 16:59
Quote:
bostonherald.com/.../...
Savard has no memory of the play on which he was hurt, or the several minutes that followed until he was wheeled off the ice on a stretcher.
“I don’t even remember taking the shot,” he said. “I remember generally most of the game, but up around that point I totally don’t remember any of it.
bostonherald.com/.../...
#183
2010-03-08 17:06
Quoting RicoFataFTW:
BTW love the new avatar
literally just hit myself in the temple with a door. i take back all the things I said about Savard.
BTW love the new avatar
#184
2010-03-08 17:21
Quoting J.J. from Kansas:
Quote:
I like this one better; Clockwork Orange freaks me out while this makes me laugh. I do like the tits and sweet music though.
If Crosby got hurt by a cheap shot their would be rejoicing all over the Internets. No doubt about it.
Quote:
I just think Cooke should be sat down and forced to watch clips of Brenden Morrow and Steve Ott in Dallas while he's tied to some Clockwork Orange-like contraption designed to fuck with his mind. Every time they show Morrow deliver a hard, clean check or back off enough on an exposed player to keep from hurting him, it will be accompanied with pictures of tits and sweet music. Whenever Ott runs out there like a rabid dog and looks for ways to hurt guys, he gets subjected to painful electric shocks and the sounds of his mother yelling at him with a dentist drill going in the background.
I like this one better; Clockwork Orange freaks me out while this makes me laugh. I do like the tits and sweet music though.
#185
2010-03-08 17:23
Quote:
Fuck him. How much does that sniveling pussy get paid to play? Millions, right? How many people are yinz related to/know that are paid 20 grand a year or less so little brown people can try to blow them up? Fuck all of the whiners. Shut the fuck up, play the fucking game, cash those huge fucking checks, or quit.
Just sayin'.
[EDIT]I was gonna get back on here and say I heard a rumor that Mark Madden is a fat tub of goo(and that he writes for TIOPS), but then it hit me that somebody said he heard it in line at the Krispy Kreme...dudes, I could utterly destroy a dozen of the creme-filled chocolate covereds right about now...damn.
Savard has no memory of the play on which he was hurt, or the several minutes that followed until he was wheeled off the ice on a stretcher.
“I don’t even remember taking the shot,” he said. “I remember generally most of the game, but up around that point I totally don’t remember any of it.
Fuck him. How much does that sniveling pussy get paid to play? Millions, right? How many people are yinz related to/know that are paid 20 grand a year or less so little brown people can try to blow them up? Fuck all of the whiners. Shut the fuck up, play the fucking game, cash those huge fucking checks, or quit.
Just sayin'.
[EDIT]I was gonna get back on here and say I heard a rumor that Mark Madden is a fat tub of goo(and that he writes for TIOPS), but then it hit me that somebody said he heard it in line at the Krispy Kreme...dudes, I could utterly destroy a dozen of the creme-filled chocolate covereds right about now...damn.
#186
2010-03-08 17:32
Quoting Rage:
Exactly. It's like in the NFL now, where it's a felony to hit a quarterback from the blindside. It's shitty. Quarterbacks and Mark "Dude Where's My Car?" Savard can earn millions while not keeping their fucking heads up or worrying about being taken out for not paying attention.
Does it lead to fewer head injuries? Sure. Does it give offenses an advantage? You betcha. Does it create a league full of cherrypicking, oblivious fairies? You betcha. It's just not fair. Keep your head up or expect to lose it.
EDIT: if you want to see what happens when you start taking hitting out of hockey, take a nap during a women's hockey game once.
Fuck all of the whiners. Shut the fuck up, play the fucking game, cash those huge fucking checks, or quit.
Just sayin'.
Exactly. It's like in the NFL now, where it's a felony to hit a quarterback from the blindside. It's shitty. Quarterbacks and Mark "Dude Where's My Car?" Savard can earn millions while not keeping their fucking heads up or worrying about being taken out for not paying attention.
Does it lead to fewer head injuries? Sure. Does it give offenses an advantage? You betcha. Does it create a league full of cherrypicking, oblivious fairies? You betcha. It's just not fair. Keep your head up or expect to lose it.
EDIT: if you want to see what happens when you start taking hitting out of hockey, take a nap during a women's hockey game once.
#187
2010-03-08 17:32
I didn't get to listen to the gm meeting so can someone tell me what King Shero had to say.
#188
2010-03-08 17:42
Quote:
In morgantown we play by the rules: if you don't remember it never happened. Case closed, Cooke is freed.
Savard has no memory of the play on which he was hurt, or the several minutes that followed until he was wheeled off the ice on a stretcher.
“I don’t even remember taking the shot,” he said. “I remember generally most of the game, but up around that point I totally don’t remember any of it.
In morgantown we play by the rules: if you don't remember it never happened. Case closed, Cooke is freed.
#189
2010-03-08 17:57
Quoting Rage:
Quoting RicoFataFTW:
Thank God, I was starting to think C-blog was full of pussies.
Fuck him. How much does that sniveling pussy get paid to play? Millions, right? How many people are yinz related to/know that are paid 20 grand a year or less so little brown people can try to blow them up? Fuck all of the whiners. Shut the fuck up, play the fucking game, cash those huge fucking checks, or quit.
Just sayin'.
[EDIT]I was gonna get back on here and say I heard a rumor that Mark Madden is a fat tub of goo(and that he writes for TIOPS), but then it hit me that somebody said he heard it in line at the Krispy Kreme...dudes, I could utterly destroy a dozen of the creme-filled chocolate covereds right about now...damn.
Quoting RicoFataFTW:
Quoting Rage:Fuck all of the whiners. Shut the fuck up, play the fucking game, cash those huge fucking checks, or quit.
Just sayin'.
Exactly. It's like in the NFL now, where it's a felony to hit a quarterback from the blindside. It's shitty. Quarterbacks and Mark "Dude Where's My Car?" Savard can earn millions while not keeping their fucking heads up or worrying about being taken out for not paying attention.
Does it lead to fewer head injuries? Sure. Does it give offenses an advantage? You betcha. Does it create a league full of cherrypicking, oblivious fairies? You betcha. It's just not fair. Keep your head up or expect to lose it.
EDIT: if you want to see what happens when you start taking hitting out of hockey, take a nap during a women's hockey game once.
Thank God, I was starting to think C-blog was full of pussies.
#190
2010-03-08 17:57
Quoting offside:
..that he is a far superior GM than they, of course
I didn't get to listen to the gm meeting so can someone tell me what King Shero had to say.
..that he is a far superior GM than they, of course
#191
2010-03-08 17:58
Staff, usually I think you guys are spot on...
But in this case--I disagree. Sure, the rest of the losers that hate the penguins, sid, geno, etc would act like toolsheds if the shoe were on the other foot. They'd be dancing in the streets if this happened to one of our stars, but I think we should be the fanbase that takes the high road and not give two shits about those assturds. Let the Flyers and Caps fans be the classless out for revenge douches.
I think the Cooke hit was dirty, this isn't the first one he's done something like that, won't be the last...and he should be punished accordingly. I love Matt Cooke and what he brings when he plays clean hard hockey, but that hit was lame.
Quote:
Really? That's some airtight logic right there...Let me guess, just because right?
I thought that hit on Booth was just as bad as this one, and garbage that Richards got away with it because he's a STAR!!...but guys, what the hell kind of logic is that? Was 150% more brutal? What metric are we using for that besides our own hatred for the Flyers?
But in this case--I disagree. Sure, the rest of the losers that hate the penguins, sid, geno, etc would act like toolsheds if the shoe were on the other foot. They'd be dancing in the streets if this happened to one of our stars, but I think we should be the fanbase that takes the high road and not give two shits about those assturds. Let the Flyers and Caps fans be the classless out for revenge douches.
I think the Cooke hit was dirty, this isn't the first one he's done something like that, won't be the last...and he should be punished accordingly. I love Matt Cooke and what he brings when he plays clean hard hockey, but that hit was lame.
Quote:
2. -- People are quick to compare this to the Mike Richards hit on David Booth. The Richards hit was 150% more brutal than this one.
Really? That's some airtight logic right there...Let me guess, just because right?
I thought that hit on Booth was just as bad as this one, and garbage that Richards got away with it because he's a STAR!!...but guys, what the hell kind of logic is that? Was 150% more brutal? What metric are we using for that besides our own hatred for the Flyers?
#192
2010-03-08 18:01
to further illustrate the hypocrisy, ESPN is currently using the richards hit on booth in one of their commercials. saw it about a dozen times over the weekend.
#193
2010-03-08 18:05
Quoting Rage:
i assumed they all knew they were inferior to him and that he would have something else to talk about
Quoting offside:I didn't get to listen to the gm meeting so can someone tell me what King Shero had to say.
..that he is a far superior GM than they, of course
i assumed they all knew they were inferior to him and that he would have something else to talk about
#194
2010-03-08 18:34
Quoting IanMoran24:
Since when is Mike Richards a star? He's a fourth line center on our team.
I thought that hit on Booth was just as bad as this one, and garbage that Richards got away with it because he's a STAR!!
Since when is Mike Richards a star? He's a fourth line center on our team.
#195
2010-03-08 18:38
Quoting offside:
there's a nice GMRS video over at nhl.com interesting that he was so quick to point out gonchar's importance to last year's team. maybe the pens do resign him.
I didn't get to listen to the gm meeting so can someone tell me what King Shero had to say.
there's a nice GMRS video over at nhl.com interesting that he was so quick to point out gonchar's importance to last year's team. maybe the pens do resign him.
#196
2010-03-08 18:44
They should just stop broadcasting and recording hockey games. If no one saw it, it didn't happen.
#197
2010-03-08 18:57
Quoting wilsmith:
Too bad there isn't a team in Las Vegas, too.
They should just stop broadcasting and recording hockey games. If no one saw it, it didn't happen.
Too bad there isn't a team in Las Vegas, too.
#200
2010-03-08 19:34
I like that the Pens have so many back to back games, yet they give us off till Thursday? Solid schedule making.
NHL Discipline has sucked, sucks, and will always suck. The End.
I like that the Pens have so many back to back games, yet they give us off till Thursday? Solid schedule making.
NHL Discipline has sucked, sucks, and will always suck. The End.
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